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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army if the game

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is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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welcome fade to black

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how you doing today is wednesday

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february 23 2022

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54 days into the new year only 311 days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere a total

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but it is beautiful

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greenwald is texting me before the show

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i hope he's listening right now

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john

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i'm live

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he's like man what are you gonna have

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for dinner tonight man you guys you want

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to go out

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what are you doing man what do you do

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john greenwald is on with us tonight

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joining us at the bottom of the hour for

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networks i'm your host jimmy church

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black

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you know what this show is

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this show is you know me having fun

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hanging out with all of you

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that you listen to on some crazy fm rock

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station on the way to work and you got

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some loud dude

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you know doing his thing in the morning

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or you know at night drive time coming

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it's just me having fun

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i just i just love being here it's just

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me i this is this is what you get all

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you know i would hate to be the opposite

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of who i am

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marco rubio and uaps can you tell us

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you can't wait to leave man we gotta get

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in the car and get out of here man

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man church has been oh this is too much

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is listening i i know this i know this

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he's listening and and and he's proud

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this one i'm gonna wear this

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this one uh for mr greenwald tonight can

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where are we john greenwald is here at

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the bottom of the hour tomorrow night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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it's just dark all right you can follow

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me on twitter at j church radio the

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sandbox is hashtag f2b on twitter we

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uh let's get to the breaking news and uh

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just lay this out there ukraine now has

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country and has told its citizens in

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russia to leave immediately as moscow

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invasion of ukraine the department of

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homeland security warns every

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organization in the united states is at

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risk for cyber threats

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with russia potentially considering

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more to shore up defenses especially to

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uh to to take this thing up a level and

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if there is something inside of that

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email that says click here

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delete it delete it just just don't

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my banks my insurance company my

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you got a free walmart card fifty dollar

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one you don't have to

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i don't click on anything ever

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send me a link i want you to send me a

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link jimmy jimmychurchradio.com send me

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a youtube video

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and then ask me if i've watched it send

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i'm not going to click on it i don't

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click on any links ever so that's my

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all right well the united states and

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going toe-to-toe right now with this

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ukraine issue and what's going on in

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that's right in fact we're taking it to

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even right now as the two of us remain

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locked in the worst confrontation of

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more than a generation right here back

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on earth because right now a seven

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person crew of four americans two

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are right now cruising around the earth

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they're orbiting they're hurtling

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around the globe aboard the

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in russia right now

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at ross cosmos they're in russia the

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russia's civilian space agency while

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three three three russians

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cosmonauts are training with nasa

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right now here in texas and up to five

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nasa astronauts are scheduled to begin

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training in russia next month ahead of

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russia's only female cosmonaut is set to

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travel to the iss this fall aboard

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spacex's dragon the first commercial

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it's kind of weird

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isn't it

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yeah we can

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we can stay

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cooler heads prevail

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in space

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well a chunk of mars

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the top lot of the sale the third

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largest piece of mars on earth

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officially known as nwa12690

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had a high estimate of eight hundred

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thousand dollars but it failed to find a

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buyer and remains unsold christie's has

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been running a meteorite sale every year

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since 2014. last year all 75 lots were

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sold with just three of them going for

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less than the high estimate raking in a

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total of 4.3

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million dollars

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all right after decades

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of rocking out on stage night after

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night dave grohl

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is starting to pay the price when it

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comes to the status of his hearing

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because the foo fighters front man now

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says that he's effing death

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and explain that he has relied on

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reading lips

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for the last 20 years

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girl said he finds it extremely

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difficult to hear other people in public

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right now

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because

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wearing face masks to cover their mouths

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and he can no longer rely

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on lip reading

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wow

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well a large area of well-preserved

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roman mosaic

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parts of it approximately 1 800 years

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old has been uncovered in london near

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one of the city's most popular landmarks

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the mosaic is thought to have adorned

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the floors of a roman dining room and

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the spot where it stands is near the

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shard of the capital's tallest building

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close to the london bridge

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archaeologists from the museum of london

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archaeology unearthed the mosaic earlier

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this month during an excavation ahead of

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building work due to take place on the

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site which previously

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served as a

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parking garage

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it's the largest rome roman ro

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romaic

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it's the largest roman mosaic discovered

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in london in the last 50 years

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all right let's get the show cracking

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happy birthday to today

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dakota fanning

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and uh best movie

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hands down

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war the worlds

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yeah i said it emily blunt

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today is just 38. she's already done

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she's such a great actress

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looper right edge of tomorrow she's

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great in that

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and uh the adjustment bureau right emily

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blunt 38 years old arrow smith's brad

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whitford today

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is 70 years old and one of my favorites

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queens right guitars michael wilton

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today is 60

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and europe guitarist

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john norm today is 58. our dead guy's

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birthday today is johnny winter

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1944 to 2014 died at the age of 70.

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johnny was one of the great blues

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guitarists that

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everybody respected he was amazing

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he uh produced three grammy

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award-winning albums for muddy waters

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and in 1988 he was inducted into the

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blues foundation hall of fame and in

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2003

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he was ranked 63rd

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in rolling stone magazine's list of the

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100 greatest guitarist of all time on

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july 16th 2014 he died of natural causes

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and was found in his hotel room two days

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after his last performance at the

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cohorts blues festival in france

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he was 70 years old happy birthday

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johnny winner on this day in history

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1885

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convicted murderer this went down in the

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uk

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convicted murderer john lee

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gets spared from death

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when the gallows malfunction

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that's right the authorities mystified

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at that malfunction

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decided to ascribe it

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to an act of god

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that's right so he spent 22 years in

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prison

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when he got out moved to the united

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states and it lived out of his life

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is that nuts what they tested the gallow

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tested it gallows gallow tested it you

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know with sandbags everything works

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everything's fine trap door opens boom

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done everything works they bring him out

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rope them up and flip the switch

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and the floor doesn't open

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that's right

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active god

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in the united states

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it is illegal

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to trade futures contracts

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that's right

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nobody

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is allowed to control

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the us

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onion market

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this is a fact

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that's your favorite fact that's vetted

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look it up

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a couple of yahoos back in the 50s

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tried to control the onion market and uh

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the the citizens of this country said

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ain't gonna have none of that man we

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it's a fact

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it's crazy in it

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and do everything else

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wheat corn

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chicago mercantile exchange

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sweet onions yellow onions white onion

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red onions

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yeah there you go i wonder if that

401
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applies to

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shallots

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tonight very special guest john

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greenwall is here

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and we've got a lot to discuss tonight

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with john and uh he's been posting like

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a like a madman uh over at the black

408
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vault and he's been very busy

409
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and uh very fun

410
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and uh we've got a lot to talk about

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tonight including

412
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,320
that nsa report which i have

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00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,320
right there there it is see it see it

414
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,039
see it see it for official

415
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,240
official use only see that see that

416
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:10,880
there it is right there i got it all i

417
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,919
got it all including check this out a

418
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page of

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binary code look at that can you see

420
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,320
that

421
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,520
oh

422
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:21,120
i read binary

423
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,720
i just read straight through this i was

424
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:25,039
like okay that's not that not that hard

425
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we're going to be doing that tonight and

426
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then tomorrow night thursday

427
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,960
is another fader night all right now

428
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it's time for me to hit this river moon

429
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coffee

430
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he's talking to john before the show

431
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and uh

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i

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00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:53,760
let every guest know

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00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,880
via email and there may be a text and

435
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,280
then a follow-up phone call

436
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,799
that at 6 30 p.m

437
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pacific time

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00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:08,880
we are going to do a sound check

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for two minutes

440
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,120
two minutes in and out just wanna make

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00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,120
sure everything is cool okay all right

442
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,440
i've done thousands of shows all right i

443
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know what i'm doing two minutes

444
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right two minutes

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00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:23,120
friggin john

446
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,559
wants to talk about everything and i'm

447
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:28,880
i'm looking at scott i'm like john

448
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,000
i got i gotta make coffee

449
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,159
i got stuff to do i'm going live in

450
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,080
three minutes okay man all right i'll

451
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,480
see yeah well thanks a lot bro

452
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,919
and uh

453
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,000
yeah so after that

454
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,400
i almost didn't get my coffee made

455
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,679
yes greenwald wants to do a 28 minute

456
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,919
sound check and then follow it up with

457
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,679
tweets or text

458
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:54,000
so there you go all right anyway back to

459
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:04,230
here's the deal

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00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:09,990
so

461
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:16,830
the

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00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,710
of awareness

463
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,919
to

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00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,520
and about

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00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:30,240
the ufo subject

466
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:34,640
right now has grown it has grown so much

467
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:37,919
over the last four years

468
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,789
and

469
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,080
i don't know

470
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,360
if it's like a kick-up of say

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00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,520
a billion people and i would say that

472
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:52,320
that's probably a pretty fair crack at

473
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,200
it

474
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:56,880
talking about seven and a half billion

475
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,640
people on this planet and i am sure i am

476
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:02,159
positive

477
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,640
that there are a billion people today

478
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,360
talking about ufos and extraterrestrial

479
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,600
life and uaps

480
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,360
that were not

481
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,159
thinking about it or considering it

482
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:17,840
four years ago

483
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,039
i guarantee it i guarantee it

484
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,279
so think about that for a second our

485
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,360
community is not small

486
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:28,080
it's not small anymore

487
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,279
and

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00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,440
but i i i love that the sight the

489
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,799
ginormous

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00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,880
it's huge

491
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:36,640
and i say

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but

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00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,390
with that

494
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,240
you got a bell curve

495
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,919
and that bell curve that you were taught

496
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,760
in school applies to everything as a

497
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,080
matter of fact you were taught in school

498
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,400
that this bell curve

499
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,279
applies to everything in your life

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00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,440
take a subject you can apply the bell

501
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,440
curve to it and there you go and what

502
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:08,840
you get with the bell

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00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,360
curve is you get

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00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:12,720
the

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so

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with this addition

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more people

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you get an increase in numbers on the

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extremes

510
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,590
what do i mean

511
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,710
what

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00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:52,240
comes with that

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00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:01,029
yahoos

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00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,000
that

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00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,240
want to

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00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,679
and it doesn't matter what the subject

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00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,400
is

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00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,559
the yahoos

519
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:09,600
that

520
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,559
uh

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00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:12,480
are

522
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,720
aggravate the situation

523
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:20,960
and be negative

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00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,640
uh dickish is is is a is a good word

525
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:26,159
um

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00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,120
those

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00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,720
and to the extreme because the bell

528
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,120
curve go and it gets worse right it gets

529
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,520
worse than just being dickish you know

530
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,240
it gets all the way to the extreme

531
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,360
uh those numbers are kicked up

532
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,799
we've always had them in the ufo

533
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,640
community and we don't care

534
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,880
and the smaller ufo community it's all

535
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,600
manageable we know who they are we can

536
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,880
name them

537
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,880
in some cases

538
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,440
they get hung out with and stuff

539
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:55,679
but now it's big

540
00:28:03,510 --> 00:27:59,120
and so that invites

541
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,520
yahoos and those same yahoos that uh

542
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,240
are here that same bell curve would

543
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,159
apply to sports would apply to news

544
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,039
would apply to education or religion

545
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,720
or uh

546
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,960
model car building

547
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,640
knitting

548
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,799
sock collecting

549
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:20,640
whatever

550
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,799
collect

551
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,520
star wars memorabilia got yahoo's

552
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:29,279
talking smack and then you got the

553
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:32,880
extreme yahoos and so it's

554
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:35,760
it's in their genes it's in their dna

555
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,399
and now that this community is what it

556
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,640
is we've got more

557
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:42,080
yahoos

558
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,520
which is why

559
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,000
i had these hats made

560
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,520
right there

561
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:49,600
i

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00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,120
how much we've grown

563
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,399
and i absolutely love it i find it

564
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,039
awesome i don't advocate it

565
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:07,279
it just says

566
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,640
this community has arrived and the ufo

567
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,279
question and the et question the uap

568
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:16,320
question however you want to label it

569
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,000
is out there it's big it's huge

570
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,919
and i love it

571
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,840
this is fade to black i am your host

572
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,399
jimmy church tonight john greenwald

573
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,200
right here on this program somebody that

574
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,159
has been at this now since

575
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,640
1995.

576
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,320
i'll never forget the first time i saw

577
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,919
the black vault

578
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,440
on the internet

579
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,520
i i couldn't believe it back then

580
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,880
websites were rare

581
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,640
getting on the web was difficult and

582
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,559
there's this secret place called the

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you're listening to jimmy

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what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight john greenwald

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he's back we are going to cover all of

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the latest

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in the world of documents ufos and uaps

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and uh

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maybe even a little bigfoot tonight

687
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and we got nasa with secret words

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and uh which i've been trying to

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decipher and of course this

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the nsa

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reports

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um

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it's so funny john and i were texting

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each other about uh over the weekend

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about this i was at the airport and uh

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no i was actually on a plane and uh

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we're texting i'm like john man i you

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know i'm flying

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and he's like man i got questions

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dude come on man it's the weekend he

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never stops he never stops he began

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researching the secret inner workings of

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the united states government back in

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1996.

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i keep thinking it was 95 i don't know

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why at the age of 15 maybe that's why

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there's the other five he targeted such

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groups as and made friends with

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the cia the fbi the pentagon the air

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force army navy nsa dia and countless

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others

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just posting documents through the

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freedom of information act he has

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accumulated an astonishing number of doc

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of topics related to ufos jfk chemical

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biological and nuclear weapons and top

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secret aircraft it's called the black

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vault that teenage project has turned

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into the largest private online

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collection anywhere

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in the known universe i would like to

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welcome back to fade to black oh by the

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way he's also published his books

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secrets of the black vault

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hey john don't look so excited how are

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you doing tonight yeah i am so excited

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although i was let down that you threw

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me under the bus for the 28-minute

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soundcheck

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oh you got it you didn't bank on me

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listening to your opening i did that

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i did not ruin me under the bus

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but that's all right no i'm always

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excited to be here with you yeah you

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know uh i recorded that entire

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conversation and i'm gonna post it on

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youtube

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that's awesome uh there are a couple

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bidders i'm sure already

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uh it was pretty explosive yes it was it

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was all that for sure

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um uh i you know this is uh

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uh this is what's crazy

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00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:20,800
um for me and i just want to share this

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00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,000
with you because you're you're you're in

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you're in the news game in that uh

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uh you

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are

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staying in front of breaking news uh

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you've got a website that is

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uh heavily trafficked right you've got

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00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,200
that and you've got to stay on top of

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things and i totally get that

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00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,680
i tend to be the opposite

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00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,480
which is i don't really follow the news

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00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,800
right i click on headlines i don't watch

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00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,560
the news uh

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00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,119
there that doesn't happen i i've i

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haven't watched live news in years

760
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,520
so there's that part but on this show

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i'm an escapist

762
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:05,920
right and this audience comes to this

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00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:08,800
show uh hope hopefully

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00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,920
to escape the realities of the day but

765
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,680
and but there's a double-edged sword to

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that

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and let me explain

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the 1994 earthquake right we all went

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through it

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and

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uh

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i lived in sherman oaks at the time

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sherman oaks you know falls to the

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ground as did a lot of la and certainly

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00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,320
the valley and it was it was horrific

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and and

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uh

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00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:36,560
i drive

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to

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my in-laws house in tarzana up at

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00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,119
braemar country club okay

782
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,040
up in the hills and you're a valley guy

783
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,960
you know what you know braemar and and

784
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stuff so we we go up and and

785
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,880
i'm knocking on the door they haven't

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00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,400
picked up their phone

787
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,920
and i don't you know i'm kind of freaked

788
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out so i'm not

789
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,119
we need a place to stay

790
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,400
right our condo is leveled

791
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,040
my father-in-law opens the door

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00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,160
wearing a green derby

793
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,280
holding a martini

794
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:10,960
right this is at nine o'clock in the

795
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,240
morning after i just drove john as you

796
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:16,800
know from sherman oaks to tarzana

797
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,520
up ventura boulevard with burning

798
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,160
buildings all of every glass of every

799
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,640
you know just the destruction and

800
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buildings and apartments and things that

801
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,560
have fallen to the ground

802
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,200
and national guard and fire trucks and

803
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,760
it was just craziness and i drive

804
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,119
through it's like driving through

805
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,760
lebanon right in 1974

806
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:39,920
and i finally make it into the harrowing

807
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,960
drive my nerves are shot

808
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,680
and he opens up the door with a martini

809
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,240
and i i go what are you doing and he

810
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,800
goes what's going on i said la just fell

811
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,000
down

812
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:54,960
he goes it did i aren't you listening to

813
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,760
the news he goes no the power's out

814
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,200
i said

815
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,760
oh well i'm in shock and i'm like this

816
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,359
right and he goes

817
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:06,000
can i make you a martini

818
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:07,200
now

819
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:08,839
why was he

820
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,400
calm because he wasn't watching the news

821
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,440
right

822
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,160
you see what i'm saying and i have

823
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,560
removed myself from the news

824
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,880
and i'm calm but there's a double-edged

825
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,960
sword to that right

826
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:25,599
if something breaks i'm going to miss it

827
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,480
i am truly going to miss it and it's a

828
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,240
smart tactic though because like you

829
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,480
said at your con that he was calm you

830
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,960
know it keeps you a lot calmer there was

831
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,640
a point here through the pandemic i

832
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,240
watched the news every day i had to turn

833
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,079
it off myself right it was watch

834
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,400
cartoons or something but i i couldn't i

835
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,760
couldn't deal with it anymore because

836
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,079
it's just death and gloom and doom we're

837
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,560
all going to die and so on and so forth

838
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,960
so yeah i totally get it and i wish i

839
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:52,960
could learn from it i don't i turned the

840
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,680
news back on but uh i got to that point

841
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,440
needed a break absolutely yeah it's

842
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,240
crazy and and and here we are at the end

843
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,400
of this you know two-year worldwide

844
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,200
global pandemic and then we've got this

845
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:06,960
this thing going on it's not a thing

846
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,040
this is a big deal

847
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:11,040
uh going on over in europe with russia

848
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,480
and the ukraine

849
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:13,680
and

850
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,359
uh with my emotions uh you know getting

851
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,520
sucked into this because i don't want to

852
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:23,760
see families at war

853
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,200
i just i don't i i just i just why

854
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,839
why now and here here we are our

855
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:31,599
emotions are getting sucked into the

856
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,800
darkness again so that's it and i i

857
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,240
haven't talked about it for the last

858
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,400
couple of weeks the last few months

859
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,240
but it's gotten to the point now where i

860
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,680
can't i can't

861
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,839
act like it's not going on

862
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:45,839
um and that's not fair to the audience

863
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,119
um either but but you

864
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,880
have that's a little gloomy

865
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,880
so it is that was a good show jimmy you

866
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:54,480
have a good night yeah it was a little

867
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:57,760
gloomy and so let's uh let's switch this

868
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:58,560
up

869
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,560
because through all of this um uh

870
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,720
tonight i'm gonna set the set the tone

871
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:06,800
for the things that we're gonna discuss

872
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,520
um as as everyone knows by now i had lou

873
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,359
elizondo on the show last week and we

874
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,480
discussed uh this uh nsa document which

875
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:16,160
i didn't know about until lou brought it

876
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,280
up and then

877
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,640
uh i get it sent to me and the next

878
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,000
thing you know

879
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,839
uh the show

880
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,160
and the conversation uh went viral

881
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,560
throughout our ufo community and

882
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,440
and hasn't has shown no signs of

883
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,480
stopping

884
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,200
and you immediately uh reached out to me

885
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,560
the next day

886
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,680
and uh

887
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,760
and and put together a presentation over

888
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,440
the black vault in a video discussing

889
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,040
this so

890
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,160
we're gonna do that tonight and then uh

891
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,240
there's two other posts one of yours

892
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,800
went down i think it was this morning

893
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:52,720
um about nasa

894
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,720
and the the mystery word right

895
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,200
and uh and that email

896
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:01,200
and and i want to discuss that and i

897
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,920
also want to discuss the fbi and bigfoot

898
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,240
um and can we start off with uh bigfoot

899
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:10,000
is that okay can we go there first do it

900
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,839
yeah

901
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,560
absolutely how am i i love a bigfoot

902
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,680
story

903
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,599
and you got one you got a real one

904
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,160
actually and uh before we get into the

905
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:20,800
background on this how much bigfoot

906
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,599
stuff do you have on the black vault

907
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,520
so i um

908
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:27,520
minus the backstory ended up with the

909
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,200
fbi file on bigfoot uh and and they have

910
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,599
one uh it's the fbi file that the all

911
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,160
the files they have on bigfoot or or

912
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:38,800
sasquatch as as they also refer to it as

913
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,599
and i also have a 1975 atlas that was

914
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:44,079
published by the army corps of engineers

915
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,960
which

916
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:47,040
set me off on this journey

917
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,560
and i don't know if that's a segue to

918
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,839
the backstory if you want me to give it

919
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,760
to you now but that's the document that

920
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,960
kind of led

921
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:55,359
to discovering that the fbi had a file

922
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:56,319
on it

923
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,520
and uh and and what that uh you know

924
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:00,960
file contained

925
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,560
so when you do a foia request

926
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,400
i'm always curious

927
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,960
as to your search words

928
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,200
um and i guess with bigfoot and

929
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,640
sasquatch

930
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,119
i don't know how specific you can get in

931
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,119
your search terms when you present your

932
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,640
foia request

933
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,319
but you're literally

934
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,880
searching bigfoot right those are

935
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:25,119
what yeah i mean there's no way around

936
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,240
you know

937
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,680
if you're searching for a chocolate cake

938
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,760
there you have to say chocolate cake so

939
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,079
right yeah my request was literally

940
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:34,720
seeking all records uh that were within

941
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,359
the holding of the fbi on bigfoot

942
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,240
sasquatch and uh you know related

943
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,119
keywords uh how very quickly how the fbi

944
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,640
works is that they're

945
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,280
that they they uh label all their files

946
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,079
with subject headings uh in most cases

947
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,560
it's the name of the person uh in other

948
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,640
cases it's the name of an organization

949
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:56,960
or a corporation i even found that the

950
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,240
fbi file that the fbi has a file on the

951
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,440
cia

952
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,160
and it's uh huge so they even have files

953
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,640
on other agencies so they have a lot i

954
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:08,480
mean they really do but it's those

955
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,280
subject headers uh and how they label

956
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:13,520
the files there's also corresponding

957
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,800
file numbers uh but they label it just

958
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,960
in plain english so when i file a

959
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,200
request yeah it is it is

960
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,119
just as simple as that you you say this

961
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,960
is what you're looking for

962
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,520
and uh and they go and and seek it out

963
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,440
sometimes you get lucky and strike gold

964
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,960
other times they say

965
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,960
we have nothing so

966
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:34,640
uh yeah that's that's kind of in a

967
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,599
nutshell how the fbi foia works now uh

968
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,960
the

969
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,960
oh man i gotta laugh because it's

970
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,960
bigfoot in the fbi and one would think

971
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,960
what could actually be there

972
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,040
um do they

973
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,560
do they redact bigfoot documents

974
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,119
so you will find redactions but in files

975
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:54,960
like this it's primarily

976
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,760
uh

977
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,000
what they call under the foia b6 and

978
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:00,160
with that's personal information

979
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,480
telephone uh numbers um addresses

980
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:06,480
names of people if they should remain

981
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,359
hidden

982
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:09,280
essentially just for privacy reasons

983
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,319
there's no

984
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,240
classified reason

985
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,640
that uh that they in this particular

986
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,960
file that they did redactions but yeah

987
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,040
you will find them and if you don't know

988
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,119
why they're redacting it sometimes looks

989
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,680
pretty interesting like oh my gosh there

990
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,119
there's classified information about

991
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,440
bigfoot and most of the time no it is

992
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,000
again for privacy reasons the fbi you

993
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:32,560
also see a lot of how they collect what

994
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,440
they call law enforcement information so

995
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,560
their tactics their procedures how they

996
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:40,720
collect evidence a lot of times they'll

997
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,359
redact that too that's exemption b7 that

998
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,920
they use so also not because it's

999
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:47,920
classified but rather it's the

1000
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,440
techniques that the fbi utilizes that uh

1001
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,200
that they like to essentially keep

1002
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:55,440
secret not classified but essentially

1003
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,000
keep that stuff you know as as as close

1004
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,800
to the vest as they can uh also for law

1005
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,240
enforcement proceedings this is going

1006
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,720
away from bigfoot but b7 you see a lot

1007
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:06,880
law enforcement proceedings so if they

1008
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,760
collect information on a on a company

1009
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,160
that's going to be potentially used in

1010
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,200
uh future charges they will exempt any

1011
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,760
anything and everything under b7 until

1012
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,599
the case is over so you just kind of

1013
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,880
have to learn the ropes a little bit

1014
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,760
about

1015
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,599
what the redactions are before you get

1016
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,200
too exciting because sometimes they're

1017
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,559
just pretty boring

1018
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,000
now uh

1019
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:29,839
the

1020
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:38,319
article on uh this particular document

1021
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,440
is is truly that's that that's almost

1022
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:42,880
like click bait

1023
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,079
right i mean it's too good to be true

1024
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:47,760
but it is

1025
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,440
and the fbi actually

1026
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,520
collected and tested a hair sample we'll

1027
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:55,520
get into that in a second

1028
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,000
but um the back story as to how

1029
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,440
the fbi came into possession of this

1030
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,040
hair and why

1031
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:07,440
is is extremely interesting what

1032
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,480
happened

1033
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,800
so the quick back story to how i found

1034
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,280
out that there was potentially records

1035
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,119
goes to a lecture that i was asked to

1036
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,720
give um by david politis he was doing a

1037
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,960
conference in in colorado

1038
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,640
and they had a couple speakers there

1039
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,880
that were talking about bigfoot he asked

1040
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,920
me to come in and talk about the

1041
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,240
government ufo connection and during

1042
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,880
that process i got to sit in on some

1043
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,880
really cool information that you know

1044
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:35,040
i'm not a bigfoot guy so i i was going

1045
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,559
into this blind going on this is

1046
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,240
probably going to be a little hokey and

1047
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,760
then you sit down you go wow this is

1048
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:42,240
really cool because they they really had

1049
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:43,280
a very

1050
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,160
um

1051
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,079
i would say scientific take the speakers

1052
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,160
i mean it's david paulides so of course

1053
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,599
he's got the the best of the best

1054
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,200
speakers when it comes to this stuff i

1055
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,359
love david and his work uh but also he

1056
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:55,119
surrounds himself with great people so

1057
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,480
it was very interesting to see because i

1058
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,720
was totally green on the whole thing

1059
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:00,240
well during one of the lectures they

1060
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,680
talked about this 1975 atlas uh it was

1061
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,200
uh published by the army corps of

1062
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,359
engineers for the state of washington

1063
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,040
and in there it goes through essentially

1064
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,760
the flora the fauna of washington you

1065
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,119
know what you can find if you're on a

1066
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:16,160
hike and so on but they have a page on

1067
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,200
bigfoot

1068
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,160
and they really do kind of take a little

1069
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,440
bit of a legend tone to it but also they

1070
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,160
take a serious tone meaning that it was

1071
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,200
kind of listed as part of what you find

1072
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,920
in the wildlife of washington state

1073
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:33,680
but what caught my eye

1074
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,119
in this lecture when they when they

1075
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,640
talked about this

1076
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,680
was that uh and i'll read it to you

1077
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,240
it's just one line alleged sasquatch

1078
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:44,640
hair samples inspected by fbi

1079
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:47,920
laboratories resulted in the conclusion

1080
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,040
that no such hair exists on any human or

1081
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,160
presently known animal for which such

1082
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,559
data are available now that caught my

1083
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,240
interest because if this is a government

1084
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,720
document even though it was an atlas uh

1085
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,520
that was foyable i could go after it

1086
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,200
i'll be honest with you my gut was that

1087
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,119
can't be true

1088
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,280
that they're talking about an fbi test

1089
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,079
of a bigfoot here no way so i went after

1090
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:17,359
the 1975 atlas and to my surprise

1091
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,040
i got this in super high resolution

1092
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:23,200
version of the entire

1093
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,240
atlas

1094
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,400
suitable for professional commercial

1095
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,839
printing um

1096
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,839
not that that was my intent but that's

1097
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:31,760
how good the quality was

1098
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:34,960
and in there was this page on bigfoot

1099
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,359
with artwork and everything and that

1100
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,160
line that talked about the fbi well for

1101
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,079
anybody who's interested in foia you

1102
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,000
utilize it or you're thinking about it

1103
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,400
this is what i call foia fodder when you

1104
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:49,040
find a reference to something like the

1105
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:53,359
fbi did x y or z now you can file a foia

1106
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,480
to the fbi

1107
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,359
seeking out x y and z and so that's what

1108
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,960
i did so it was kind of that's your

1109
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,200
paper trail so filed a request to the

1110
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,680
fbi asked for everything uh that they

1111
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,839
had on bigfoot and sure enough they sent

1112
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:07,200
me their file

1113
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:10,559
overall it was a little over 20 pages or

1114
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,359
so

1115
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:13,040
and in there

1116
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,720
were some letters uh some a photograph

1117
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,040
of a hair sample and so on but it was

1118
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,359
not the one that was referenced in the

1119
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,119
washington atlas

1120
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:26,240
those were mysteriously either missing

1121
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,599
or gone

1122
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,160
and i appealed saying hey wait you have

1123
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,240
another government document published by

1124
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,559
the army corps of engineers references

1125
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:37,040
this other case and you guys had some

1126
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,720
pretty interesting conclusions and the

1127
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,400
files are just gone

1128
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:41,920
so sadly

1129
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,800
you know fill in the blank on why uh i

1130
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,319
couldn't find those but it was

1131
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,400
interesting to find other files related

1132
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,040
to bigfoot they weren't as interesting

1133
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:53,440
in the end simply because the sample

1134
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,720
that they do talk about in the file was

1135
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,760
um

1136
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,640
uh

1137
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,280
identified so it was nothing but but it

1138
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,359
was a totally different case so the

1139
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,280
files that we know

1140
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,040
that were talked about by the army corps

1141
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,200
of engineers who knows where those those

1142
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,960
are so it's just kind of one of those

1143
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,240
stories

1144
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,920
of the black vault and running the black

1145
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,599
vault that's just a very

1146
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,680
cool little standalone story that i had

1147
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,520
no idea i would have

1148
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,200
never if i didn't attend that conference

1149
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,760
and sit in on the lectures and and learn

1150
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:25,280
about something that i had

1151
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,400
zero clue about i would have never said

1152
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:30,480
hmm let's see if the fbi has a file on

1153
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,319
bigfoot you know and file that and and i

1154
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,400
should think that way i should just

1155
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:38,240
start phishing and send out those

1156
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,680
requests but i just would have never

1157
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:42,559
thought uh to file and so

1158
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,440
it was it was a cool find sadly i didn't

1159
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,040
find what i was looking for but it was

1160
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,920
cool nonetheless does it surprise you

1161
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:51,359
that

1162
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,680
right now we're talking about a smoking

1163
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,440
gun that's a smoking gun that's a

1164
00:53:03,030 --> 00:52:59,280
smoking gun statement

1165
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:03,040
and smoking gun lab results the real

1166
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,000
deal

1167
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,839
are you surprised that

1168
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:07,440
it's lost

1169
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,800
not really because there is a trend of

1170
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:12,720
uh well this was the only bigfoot story

1171
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:16,559
i had but there's a trend of losing

1172
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,040
documents within the archives of the us

1173
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,000
government and u.s military on really

1174
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,800
interesting things like this that can be

1175
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,800
and have the potential to be a smoking

1176
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,200
gun when it comes to either in this case

1177
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,920
sasquatch or bigfoot or in most cases

1178
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,200
that i've found

1179
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,839
ufo and paranormal related information

1180
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,880
in cases and there are a

1181
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:41,280
growing number of

1182
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,640
instances where i go after files and uh

1183
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,480
they're missing or destroyed

1184
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,480
and and they will admit to that that

1185
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,000
they that they lost them that they'll

1186
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,599
redact something

1187
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:54,000
and then release that and then when i go

1188
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:55,040
after

1189
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,720
what's called an mdr mandatory

1190
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,359
declassification review saying hey nsa

1191
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,760
or hey cia or hey dia

1192
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,000
review this document

1193
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:06,880
because what was redacted 25 years ago

1194
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,599
may not need to be redacted now and so i

1195
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,079
file that case and then after i wait way

1196
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,319
too long they write me back and they say

1197
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:16,319
well we did a good faith search we tried

1198
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:19,680
to find it we can't all we find is the

1199
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,480
redacted version the originals are gone

1200
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,480
or destroyed missing

1201
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,319
and the first time that that happened i

1202
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,640
went oh come on mom what are the odds

1203
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,160
then it happened again then it happened

1204
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,960
again with another agency the cia itself

1205
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,520
it's piling up so the cia the nsa and

1206
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,079
the dia i have cases with all of them

1207
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,720
that ended with ufo documents being

1208
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:43,359
destroyed so for me

1209
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,799
i look for trends right once maybe twice

1210
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:49,359
okay fine you can argue a coincidence

1211
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:50,839
but when you find

1212
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,680
trends that's smoke that usually

1213
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:56,160
indicates fire and that's what i go

1214
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,599
after not only when it comes to

1215
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,280
government documents

1216
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,440
but what people say what people claim

1217
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:03,200
the stories they tell

1218
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,640
those are types of things as a

1219
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,960
researcher you have to look for because

1220
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:09,440
where there becomes a trend

1221
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,640
that usually indicates a bigger story in

1222
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,640
this case with document destruction

1223
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,720
plain and simple cover-up there's no way

1224
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:18,880
around that you know they are they are

1225
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:21,599
covering up intentionally

1226
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:24,559
this information there is no way that i

1227
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:27,760
can dig up previously heavily classified

1228
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:30,720
documents from world war one that

1229
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,119
remained classified for 60 70 80 years

1230
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,599
uh and and i go after them get them

1231
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,760
declassified but they find them

1232
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,440
get them declassified and i post them

1233
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,040
really cool history

1234
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,040
but when it comes to ufo stuff it's like

1235
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,440
gone yeah right right that's a trend

1236
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:49,440
that's worth looking at yeah it was

1237
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:54,480
surprising to me uh when uh the gao

1238
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,079
uh did their roswell you know search for

1239
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,480
documents and back in the 90s uh to

1240
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:03,440
compile that report and

1241
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:04,640
that's what

1242
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,599
the the the tapes the recordings

1243
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,480
the the data have been destroyed uh the

1244
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:13,119
paperwork has been destroyed uh we have

1245
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,400
nothing

1246
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,880
and uh

1247
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:19,119
the question is why of course why would

1248
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,079
those

1249
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,440
specific documents uh be destroyed and

1250
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,240
if the gao is coming after you the

1251
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,240
general accounting office

1252
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,040
you tend to sit up straight and respond

1253
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,480
right and to come back to them saying

1254
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:37,280
uh uh well uh

1255
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,480
we don't have them they've been

1256
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,000
destroyed

1257
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,079
that says a lot it happens all the time

1258
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:44,760
and it's that's a modern instance

1259
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,319
1947 was not that long ago and when they

1260
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:50,640
did the search that was in the mid 90s

1261
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:53,839
right so that was only what 50 years out

1262
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,240
of of roswell so that's a that's a

1263
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,760
modern case yeah and i'm glad that you

1264
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,520
bring that up not a lot of people talk

1265
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,359
about that when it comes to the roswell

1266
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,359
incident that's it's kind of like the it

1267
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,960
wasn't technically fine print but it was

1268
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,319
like the fine print that they put in the

1269
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,400
beginning of the gao report and then

1270
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,319
they went on and on about some of the

1271
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,160
other stuff and then i was a project

1272
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,720
mogul balloon or you know whatever so

1273
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,200
you're basing a conclusion

1274
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,880
off of something where you don't have

1275
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,960
all the pieces to the puzzle how can you

1276
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,440
really do that and the government has

1277
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:27,440
tried so they'll say in the first breath

1278
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,640
now there's there's a lot of stuff

1279
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,559
missing or destroyed and then the second

1280
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,799
breath well but we know what it was

1281
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,480
uh then why did they change their story

1282
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,079
so many times now i'm not here to claim

1283
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,240
roswell was alien or anything i'm just

1284
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,160
saying again where there's smoke there's

1285
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,720
usually fire and that was a trend and

1286
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,160
not many people talk about the missing

1287
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:45,520
documents they just talk about the

1288
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:46,640
government's

1289
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:48,799
explanation right but they don't talk

1290
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:52,240
about the fact that that explanation was

1291
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:55,280
created uh without the full picture and

1292
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:58,720
and that was decades after roswell

1293
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,079
happened a lot of the witnesses were

1294
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,480
either gone or aging and though the

1295
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,000
evidence obviously was gone the

1296
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:06,559
documented evidence was gone so yeah uh

1297
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,760
good on you for bringing it up because

1298
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,359
not a whole lot of people really talk

1299
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,520
about that anymore the uh where do you

1300
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:14,240
stand uh i know you're pragmatic you're

1301
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,599
black and white

1302
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:17,599
uh you don't bend

1303
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,240
where do you stand on bigfoot

1304
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:22,480
you know i really don't i'm not educated

1305
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:25,680
enough to tell you yes or no i'm open to

1306
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,880
anything and you know i i i will say

1307
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,359
that uh there's a little bit of

1308
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,680
that pop culture thing with bigfoot and

1309
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,599
sasquatch and silliness and this and

1310
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:37,760
that but when you really pay attention

1311
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:39,760
to scientific discoveries that are

1312
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:43,200
happening today yesterday and last week

1313
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,079
and how much we don't know about our

1314
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,480
planet right and how much we are

1315
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,480
continuing to discover

1316
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:53,440
and how much the the scientific

1317
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,240
community truly doesn't know

1318
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,160
will it surprise me that there is an

1319
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,240
elusive creature out there that might

1320
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:02,960
exist not at all because we still find

1321
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:05,680
them we still find creatures that we

1322
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:08,720
didn't know about before every day every

1323
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,920
day and we find creatures living in

1324
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,680
places that we never thought they could

1325
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:16,079
live before with the extremophiles

1326
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,119
living on the you know uh trenches deep

1327
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:21,119
in the ocean obviously that's a slightly

1328
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:22,960
older discovery but the point is the

1329
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:23,920
same

1330
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,319
science thinks they know the answer and

1331
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:27,920
then they discover something that they

1332
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,400
never thought possible so with bigfoot

1333
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,079
sure there's that that stigma and

1334
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,079
silliness behind it but in the same

1335
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:36,319
respect i keep an open mind i don't know

1336
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,760
for sure

1337
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,440
there could be nothing but in the same

1338
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:41,440
respect there absolutely could be

1339
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:44,160
something there because evidence shows

1340
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:46,000
we don't have all the answers yet and we

1341
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,680
don't know anything and everything about

1342
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:49,359
our planet now

1343
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,680
so what about that line in the army

1344
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,000
corps of engineers almanac

1345
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,160
does that uh

1346
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,920
push you on one side of the fence or the

1347
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:00,720
other

1348
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:04,160
about the fbi hair yeah the the analysis

1349
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,839
that was what piqued my interest more

1350
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,079
than anything else so

1351
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,319
does it push me over the edge no i want

1352
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,400
to know why they wrote it

1353
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,480
it's not being facetious

1354
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,319
it wasn't uh

1355
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,640
said as a joke i mean you know you when

1356
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,559
you say something like the fbi did

1357
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,640
analysis and it didn't match up with

1358
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:24,480
anything that was known

1359
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,440
uh

1360
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,200
at the time

1361
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,040
you don't just pull that out of thin air

1362
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,040
and it's and it's just hyperbole i mean

1363
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,160
that that obviously came from somewhere

1364
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,200
so would it push me over no

1365
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:39,599
but it it is darn interesting and and

1366
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,160
the fact that those files

1367
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,920
were essentially missing the fbi says no

1368
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:45,599
no this is all we have but clearly

1369
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,240
there's nothing what happened to him

1370
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:50,880
where was that information that the army

1371
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,440
corps of engineer author sat down and

1372
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:55,760
wrote that line specifically about the

1373
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,559
fbi right where did he get that from and

1374
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,319
sadly i don't know the answer to that

1375
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,200
but where did he get it you know then he

1376
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,359
or she uh and we don't know the answer

1377
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,119
to that we likely never will i'll have

1378
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,799
to look back but if memory serves

1379
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,559
there's no author or anything listed on

1380
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,240
that and generally those documents are

1381
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:15,359
compiled by a huge list of people uh

1382
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:17,440
because it's a it's a pretty big uh a

1383
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,960
pretty big file uh really quick atlas

1384
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:22,960
john i've got 15 seconds

1385
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,599
is are you closing the book on this is

1386
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:29,359
there a possibility

1387
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,559
of another foyer request or do you think

1388
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,960
you're at the at the end on this one

1389
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,720
when it comes to the fbi i appealed and

1390
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,640
lost they they claim they gave me

1391
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,000
everything so there's really nothing i

1392
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,839
can do there you go let's take our break

1393
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,599
right here this is fade to black our

1394
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:45,520
guest tonight john greenwald when we

1395
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:47,520
come back after the break we got the

1396
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:51,599
mystery word in a nasa email

1397
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,799
yeah

1398
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:54,960
hey john pop that up in twitter for us

1399
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,039
again and i'll do a retweet so everybody

1400
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,039
can see this this email

1401
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:00,720
and uh we'll talk about that next and

1402
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:03,760
then we'll get to the nsa report this is

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so

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church

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01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,440
tonight john greenwald is with us

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01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:25,680
the black vault

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01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:28,720
it's the reason to have an interbox

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01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,680
the black vault uh during the break uh

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01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:33,839
the announcement this is a breaking news

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01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,280
uh putin has announced uh military

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action in ukraine

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01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,880
and uh

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that's that i have to do my public

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01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,400
service and announce that we'll follow

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01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:46,720
up if there's anything else uh during

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01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:49,680
the show tonight uh john shifting over

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01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:50,720
to

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uh this nsa email

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um which i've got up here i just did a

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01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,160
retweet of your tweet and if everybody

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would like to go and check that out just

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you can follow myself for john uh john

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is

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blackvaultcom

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on twitter don't ask questions that is

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his twitter handle and of course mine is

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01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,720
aj church radio hashtag f2b is where you

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01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:14,799
can find it right now

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01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,839
um this email uh let's get the

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01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,159
background on it it was uh it was sent

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on october 1st 2020.

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um before we get to the word what's

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01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:28,080
what's the story with this email yeah so

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01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:30,640
there's quite a few posts that you will

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find uh that i posted today on a release

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01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:36,159
from nasa to me

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01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,520
this morning

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01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:39,359
i haven't posted everything yet but i

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got more than a thousand pages

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01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,960
in response to a request i did

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for

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advisor

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to the administrator of nasa which at

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the time

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uh that this particular email was

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01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,359
written was jim bridenstine or

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breidenstein

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he

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cruz

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and so i submitted a foia for a search

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of all these different uap

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01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:12,400
related keywords i've made great

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01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,679
discoveries based on that uh found out

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01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,600
when the nasa administrator was briefed

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01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,520
by the uaptf

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found out that it was actually the uap

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01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:23,920
task force that reached out to nasa

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01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,000
saying hey we want to brief you on uf

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ufos and uaps made the discovery that it

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was requested the director of the

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international space station attend that

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01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:36,400
briefing so there's been some great

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01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:37,759
revelations

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01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:40,480
the one here is kind of silly because in

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the emails going back and forth

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the administrator

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01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:48,080
nasa administrator was trying to figure

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01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:51,679
out um some more stuff about uf ufos and

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01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,679
uaps there was a lot of news articles

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going on around this time

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01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,080
and so randy cruz on his behalf was kind

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01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:00,320
of saying hey what what type of material

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do we have and they were looking for a

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classified uh briefing and material for

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01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:10,960
the administrator to kind of

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absorb of of what he learned about ufos

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and uaps or what the agency could learn

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01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,560
and so this particular email

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he i'll read it to you here if we have

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01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:24,719
the materials would like to share with

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jim before he leaves for oklahoma today

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01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:29,760
not sure an unclassified version is

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01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:31,600
scratching his itch

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01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:34,159
let's see what's in the

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uh and then i'm just going to spell it

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01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:36,800
because there's no way i can try and

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01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:41,600
pronounce this r e a l m n i f b o i s s

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01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,920
s i n l e for today please thanks now i

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01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,000
mean i'm this is an autocorrect of

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01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,800
something i can't figure out

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01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,120
what they're trying to say though uh so

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01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:55,520
i tweeted this out as a joke uh but i

1594
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,719
also tweeted out quite a few other

1595
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,480
documents that that really gave some

1596
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,719
revelations within nasa but this

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01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,320
particular one of course you know piques

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01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,080
everybody's interest kind of like that

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01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,199
trump covfefe yeah yeah yeah yeah the

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01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,760
same kind of kind i was reminded of that

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01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:11,280
okay so

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01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:14,640
uh let's let's let's kind of zero in on

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01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,880
this on this uh

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01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:18,719
word for a second

1605
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:21,679
um you said autocorrect

1606
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:22,880
guessing

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01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,360
and i was thinking um it was just random

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01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,440
number or letters that were just typed

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01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:31,440
on the typewriter

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01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:32,960
to

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01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,920
oh jeez uh you know

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01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,679
me under the bus for the 28 minute sound

1613
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,600
check i am gonna i'm turning you under

1614
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:43,840
the bus for aging i'm trying okay on on

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01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:47,040
the ibm's electric

1616
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:50,239
on the tandy yeah the radio shock tandy

1617
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:52,239
i had a radio shack

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01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:54,159
um a

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01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:55,760
typewriter

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01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:00,400
that had check this out this was 1985

1621
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,000
that had i was one one line

1622
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,560
it was a orange led

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01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:08,640
uh thing and you could type out a

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01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:09,920
sentence

1625
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,080
and then hit go

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01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,920
right and and and then you would type it

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01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,679
all out yeah it would type it out i

1628
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:17,760
remember though my grandmother had one

1629
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,000
in her work i remember as a kid

1630
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:22,320
playing with it and got to to type it in

1631
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:23,280
and then

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01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,120
uh i mean it was like the most advanced

1633
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:27,679
thing it was the most i thought i was

1634
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:31,840
james bond yeah i thought i was james

1635
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:34,239
bond okay so anyway back to this

1636
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,600
um

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01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:37,679
uh

1638
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,960
what do you think is supposed to be

1639
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,159
there

1640
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,480
i really don't know i mean so internally

1641
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,640
why there was a thousand pages there's a

1642
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:48,480
lot of

1643
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,159
news briefs um

1644
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,480
things that they send out to their nasa

1645
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,320
personnel to kind of brief them on

1646
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,239
what's in the news sometimes they're

1647
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:00,480
just the headlines other times if things

1648
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:03,760
are going to be asked of nasa they'll do

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01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:04,880
um

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01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:07,760
essentially some internal

1651
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,840
preparation of questions that would

1652
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:11,360
potentially be asked

1653
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,560
even with all of that i can't fit in to

1654
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,640
what they're trying to say so

1655
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:18,800
it's possible that this randy cruz typed

1656
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:21,600
something in on his iphone or whatever

1657
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:24,000
and it it just was not doing the auto

1658
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,440
correct or it auto-corrected to

1659
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,920
something who knows i really don't know

1660
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,960
but

1661
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:30,480
it's one of those mysteries that we'll

1662
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:33,120
likely never know randy cruz has moved

1663
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,679
on uh he's no longer the senior adviser

1664
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:37,600
to the uh nasa administrator he's

1665
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,440
actually at the navy now

1666
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,000
uh and uh and i tracked him down he's

1667
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,760
he's actually been a name that's come up

1668
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:45,360
quite a bit primarily because he was a

1669
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,719
senior advisor

1670
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,360
but through these uap related emails

1671
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:51,440
that i've seen here in the last year so

1672
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,120
i've done quite a few different requests

1673
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,440
on him even tracked him down at the navy

1674
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:57,520
did a foia there but it came up negative

1675
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:00,159
so his uap connection seemingly has gone

1676
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,360
away since he went over to the navy so i

1677
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:05,440
it's it's weird getting into these email

1678
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:06,880
boxes of all these

1679
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,600
you know personnel and and uh and people

1680
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,440
and then tracking them to see where they

1681
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,600
go and what type of programs and

1682
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,760
projects that they work on so anyway

1683
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,760
this will this will likely be you know

1684
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:19,120
one of those mysteries that we just

1685
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:21,760
won't solve well okay so the thousand

1686
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,840
documents that came in today you haven't

1687
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,159
read them all but uh have you started to

1688
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:29,280
look through those absolutely yeah one

1689
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,120
of the one of the things and i'll just

1690
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:33,840
go through here's another um another one

1691
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:36,159
that i posted out there today

1692
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:37,199
uh

1693
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,120
for me this was gold this was

1694
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,199
a email that was written around the same

1695
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,159
time october 1st of 2020

1696
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:48,960
and it talked about the head of the uap

1697
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:51,120
task force his name is jay stratton or

1698
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:53,040
john j stratton

1699
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,760
and

1700
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:55,440
for a quick backstory i discovered

1701
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,239
stratton's name in 2019 it had never

1702
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,800
been out before but i discovered that

1703
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,640
when i had uh and we've talked about

1704
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,560
this on this program before but

1705
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:06,960
i had broken a story that that really

1706
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:09,840
went viral around the planet uh in

1707
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:12,960
september of what was it 2020 i think

1708
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,600
and that was when the navy had first

1709
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:18,239
went on the record that the three videos

1710
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,000
that were circulating that at that time

1711
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,400
were considered leaks were considered

1712
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:24,719
unidentified aerial phenomena it was the

1713
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:27,360
first time they had ever done that well

1714
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,360
i started fishing around about how they

1715
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:31,679
came to that statement and discovered

1716
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:34,640
that it was this john j stratton who had

1717
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,840
actually wrote all of that internally

1718
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,000
then the spokesperson grabbed it edited

1719
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,840
it and then sent it to me

1720
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,520
um so

1721
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:45,440
he's been kind of on my radar so to

1722
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:49,120
speak since um uh 2019 excuse me when

1723
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:51,199
his name first surfaced so he's been on

1724
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:54,000
my radar since 2019 and i've had foia

1725
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,920
requests around him this is the first

1726
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,320
time that i believe in an official

1727
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:00,800
document he's been labeled as the head

1728
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,719
of what was known as the uap task force

1729
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:04,960
we know that's changing now but this was

1730
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,280
an important piece of the puzzle uh

1731
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,679
investigation wise because now we know

1732
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:11,440
who was essentially the head of that

1733
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:14,400
entire effort will he remain

1734
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,199
uh

1735
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:18,080
part of this new aoi msg which is part

1736
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,239
of the gillibrand amendment that's still

1737
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,080
kind of to be determined

1738
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:23,760
but that was kind of an interesting part

1739
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,679
but anyway that's a quick preface what

1740
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,840
was interesting about this email was

1741
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:29,520
that in the hunt

1742
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,560
for information for the administrator it

1743
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,800
was discovered that the classified

1744
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:37,360
briefing which i know had already taken

1745
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:39,199
place at nasa prior

1746
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:41,920
was videotaped and was kept on their

1747
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:43,040
servers

1748
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:43,840
for

1749
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:45,120
future

1750
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,920
um reasons like this where if a

1751
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,159
in-person briefing couldn't take place

1752
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,320
they pull up the video and and put the

1753
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,040
person in a secure location like a skiff

1754
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:57,920
or or on a secure terminal and they can

1755
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,480
watch the briefing that is what i have

1756
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:03,040
taken from this so

1757
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:04,960
to the foia

1758
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:08,480
mindset to anybody who uses foia this is

1759
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:10,880
that foia fodder that i'm talking about

1760
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,600
now i have documented proof that the

1761
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:16,400
classified briefing at least that was

1762
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,080
given to nasa

1763
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:20,800
was taped and exists

1764
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:23,440
and so i've already filed the case to

1765
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,320
get that video released will it be

1766
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:28,719
released in full likely not

1767
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:31,520
will it be released in part i believe so

1768
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,040
because there's a lot about the ufo

1769
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:35,040
conversation that's unclassified right

1770
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:36,880
even those three videos that that the

1771
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,199
navy released uh eventually released

1772
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:41,199
even though they were leaked uh they

1773
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:43,520
were unclassified from the point that

1774
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,800
they were

1775
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:46,400
filmed so

1776
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,080
there's a lot of unclassified parts of

1777
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:50,159
this so that's why i'm i'm hopeful that

1778
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:52,880
i'll get at least some of that video how

1779
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,800
long it will take i'm not sure i did

1780
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,320
request what's called expedited

1781
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,040
processing to kind of speed things up i

1782
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:01,440
have won those requests with the navy

1783
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,440
quite a bit in the last year so i'm

1784
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:05,520
hopeful that maybe i can win this one as

1785
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:07,520
well which essentially puts me in what's

1786
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:09,760
called an expedited track so i don't

1787
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:11,199
have to wait

1788
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:14,080
10 years i only wait seven i you know

1789
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:15,920
no i don't know how long but hopefully

1790
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:19,120
i'll be able to uh get some type of of

1791
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:21,040
expedited treatment but this was a big

1792
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:22,719
discovery it really was because it

1793
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:25,600
really shows now that there are

1794
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:26,480
videos

1795
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:28,080
that the general public has the

1796
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:29,679
potential to see

1797
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:32,000
minus the the true classified portions

1798
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:33,199
you know our

1799
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,800
capabilities when it comes to our

1800
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:36,880
instrumentation stuff like that but

1801
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:39,760
maybe we can see what these uh

1802
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:42,080
government personnel and senators and

1803
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,719
congressmen we can get a hint at what

1804
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,560
they really are seeing behind closed

1805
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:48,480
doors when they're doing this classified

1806
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,560
briefing so i'm going after those it

1807
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:53,280
also referenced a slide deck which

1808
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:55,040
obviously is probably a powerpoint

1809
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:56,560
presentation right and they

1810
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,600
differentiate between the slide deck and

1811
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,239
the video version of the brief that's

1812
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:04,239
what they say okay

1813
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,199
let me let me let me jump in here the

1814
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:09,199
this one email

1815
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:10,080
uh

1816
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,120
yeah um

1817
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:18,080
uh also dated uh october 1st in response

1818
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:22,159
to the uh uh kofafe uh

1819
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,400
um he says uh

1820
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,640
i traded text with jay stratton this is

1821
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:29,040
your highlight i traded text with jay

1822
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:31,840
stratton yesterday and he also didn't

1823
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:35,199
think an unclassified brief

1824
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,840
would be helpful goes on to say uh

1825
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:40,080
margaret jolene and cherise if all of

1826
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,280
you could

1827
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:44,239
uh we can get a hold of the video

1828
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,880
perhaps reach out to jay over email and

1829
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,719
coordinate with randy

1830
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,120
i would be grateful

1831
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:53,600
um is this the same no the the other

1832
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,719
email that you're talking i'm going to

1833
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:56,480
stay on subject here

1834
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:58,480
but i want to get to the email about the

1835
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:02,000
deck is the deck posted

1836
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,000
of the no because it's part of the

1837
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:06,080
classified briefing so

1838
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:08,800
likely jay stratton who's part of the

1839
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,239
the navy who's been doing these

1840
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,480
briefings i've i've already been able to

1841
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:14,000
document that in the past and have

1842
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,560
written about it uh but now we know he

1843
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:19,199
truly is the head of the uap task force

1844
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:22,080
we know he utilizes a slide deck we know

1845
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:23,679
that his classified briefing is now

1846
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:27,199
videotaped and utilized in situations

1847
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:30,239
like this where again that in-person

1848
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,600
briefing can't take place so they can

1849
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:33,120
reference the video

1850
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:36,560
that all is is gold when it comes to

1851
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:37,600
foia

1852
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,080
and being able to prove what's there but

1853
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:41,920
it's all kind of connected to the same

1854
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:44,719
chain of events when they're searching

1855
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:47,360
for how are they going to inform the

1856
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:50,719
administrator who wants to know more so

1857
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,239
they realized that there were

1858
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:53,760
unclassified

1859
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:59,040
floating around and they felt or the the

1860
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:00,800
administrator felt

1861
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:03,600
that that would not in their case uh

1862
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,159
suffice in their wording it was not

1863
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:09,040
scratching his itch

1864
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,800
very interesting and and going to uh the

1865
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,719
first email then i'm gonna get to the

1866
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:16,080
deck email

1867
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:17,679
um next

1868
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,639
um but he says uh here and i'm talking

1869
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,120
about michael gold um i don't know what

1870
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:25,679
michael's title is uh what his job is

1871
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:29,199
over at nasa but for him to say

1872
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,679
i can give that to you we don't need uh

1873
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,440
an unclassified

1874
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:35,120
uh brief

1875
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:37,920
we need the classified brief right i

1876
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,000
find that very interesting they did they

1877
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,800
were not interested in any anything that

1878
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:44,400
was unclassified

1879
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,600
correct so

1880
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:47,360
what i took away from this was the

1881
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:50,000
director of the uap task force

1882
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,440
was telling nasa the unclassified brief

1883
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:55,120
would not be helpful

1884
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,040
and so we know that the nasa

1885
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,040
administrator likely doesn't care about

1886
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,040
the capabilities of radar systems and

1887
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:03,840
stuff like that that we can safely

1888
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:06,320
deduce is part of the classified

1889
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:08,080
reasoning for some of this you know we

1890
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,080
don't want that capability out and

1891
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:11,920
rightfully so we should keep it

1892
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,600
classified

1893
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:16,080
but the director is saying this won't

1894
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:18,560
the unclassified stuff probably won't be

1895
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:20,800
helpful to the director which shows us

1896
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:22,880
that whatever is in the classified

1897
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:25,679
version whether it be the slide deck or

1898
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:28,239
his actual verbal presentation

1899
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:31,600
has something that is helpful that is

1900
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:34,960
more informative that is of substance

1901
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,719
and so that's what i took away from this

1902
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:38,480
now here's a quick story about michael

1903
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:39,360
gold

1904
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:40,960
this was another name that i came up

1905
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:43,440
with last year sifting through all these

1906
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,480
emails

1907
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:45,840
and

1908
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:48,719
doing these uap

1909
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:52,239
briefings at nasa mike gold was there at

1910
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:54,400
the time he has resigned he's moved on

1911
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:56,239
april of 2021

1912
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:58,000
he moved on

1913
01:23:03,030 --> 01:22:59,280
he was the

1914
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:03,040
former associate administrator for space

1915
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,239
policy

1916
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:06,880
and partnerships that was his title at

1917
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:09,840
nasa when he was involved with the uap

1918
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,639
task force classified briefing but

1919
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:14,639
here's a fun note when i dug into it i

1920
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,600
dig into all these names to see where i

1921
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,840
can draw lines and where they go and so

1922
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,199
on and so forth

1923
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:23,520
before nasa you may know the answer to

1924
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,560
this i don't know

1925
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:26,239
before nasa

1926
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:27,520
take one guess on where you think he

1927
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,990
dod

1928
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:32,960
no

1929
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:35,360
bigelow arrows oh god

1930
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:36,560
same thing

1931
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:38,320
well yeah well it's potentially the same

1932
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:39,679
thing that's the same thing

1933
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,320
he worked for bigelow that's right i got

1934
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:45,280
her your yes now i remember this guy and

1935
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:47,600
yes you are uh yeah that's right that's

1936
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,880
right i totally remember this i've

1937
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:50,800
written about gold before and i found

1938
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:53,360
that really right i'm such a coincidence

1939
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:54,639
for those who don't know bigelow

1940
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:56,880
aerospace got the ossap contract through

1941
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:58,000
dia

1942
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,159
and allegedly studied all sorts of

1943
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,480
paranormal funhouse type stuff including

1944
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:03,840
ufos

1945
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,000
through his personal interest nids and

1946
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,239
so on and skinwalker ranch so there's a

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01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:12,719
huge history there so for you know the

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01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:15,440
former associate administrator for space

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01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,480
policy and partnerships to find his way

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01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:21,040
into nasa the classified uap briefing

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01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:22,400
and he just so happened to work at

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01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:24,400
bigelow aerospace prior to getting there

1953
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,360
it was kind of a cool line to draw yeah

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01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:29,520
i had no idea i think you and i talked

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01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:32,560
about this it's possible a few years ago

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01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:36,080
okay uh now on to the this is very very

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01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:37,120
interesting

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okay this is uh

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uh i don't have the

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email header

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01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:47,040
on uh the deck email but this is uh the

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preview this is from mike mike gold okay

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01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:52,960
all right he says uh hey randy or randy

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01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:55,360
cruz i'm sorry that we couldn't get

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01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:58,159
schedules to work with the head of the

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01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:02,080
uap task force jay stratton right spells

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01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,440
it out right there

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01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:05,040
he was wrapped up in meetings at the

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01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:08,800
pentagon uh margaret and jolene um uh we

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01:25:14,229 --> 01:25:11,120
have the slide deck

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01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:14,239
that jay used when he got the brief

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01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:15,440
previously

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01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:18,159
jay says that there is a video version

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01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,800
of that brief that is available

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01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:22,560
on

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01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:25,120
what is zippernet supernatural net or j

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01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,400
wicks those are two

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01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:28,480
secure classified systems that classify

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01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:31,600
material resides on and uh

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01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:38,149
the hmm

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01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:42,400
i would have to say that video

1982
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,239
should be available

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01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:45,920
right if i if i read that if it's

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01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:48,080
available this is public information it

1985
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,840
may be classified

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01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:51,840
but i do i think you've got a good shot

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01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,159
at getting this video i do yeah no i

1988
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:56,159
agree um sippernet when they say that

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01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,159
it's available on supernet or jwix for

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01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,840
those who don't know so those are

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01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:01,920
classified systems that hold classified

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01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,280
information so they're on secure

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01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:05,760
networks sippernet holds information up

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01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:07,760
to the secret level

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01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:09,920
jwix holds information up to the top

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01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:13,120
secret level it is a system or network

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01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:14,960
of systems that is also utilized by the

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01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,760
dod and so on and so forth so i i hit

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01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:20,400
those systems a lot when i do foias

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01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:22,639
because sometimes if you don't say you

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01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,400
want sippernet or jaywix search for

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01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:25,920
classified information they just do the

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01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:28,400
unclassified stuff they kind of uh you

2004
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:30,800
know play that game with you uh but

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01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,960
regardless it shows us that yes there is

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01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,280
a copy of this floating around it likely

2007
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,120
would be a creation of the navy so the

2008
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:38,960
navy will likely be the one to release

2009
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,520
it if they release it um but again this

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01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:43,440
was this was that first documented

2011
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:44,960
evidence that we we know classified

2012
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,120
briefings are going on that is nothing

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01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:49,360
new we've known that for years

2014
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:51,600
but the fact that a video is floating

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01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,719
around

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01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:54,800
at least within nasa to to to be

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01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,600
accessed likely at the navy as well

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01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:59,280
of this video

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01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,239
that is that is foia gold because now

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01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,800
you have documented proof right that a

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01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:06,960
chocolate cake exists and you go after

2022
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:09,280
that chocolate cake with all the force

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01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,840
that you got because uh you know that

2024
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,840
it's got to be something good and in

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01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,520
their own words not to beat the dead

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01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:17,840
horse all the unclassified stuff isn't

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01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:20,080
helpful and the whole point of me

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01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:21,760
kind of cherry-picking that document and

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01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,960
posting it today because i haven't

2030
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,800
posted everything yet

2031
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:27,120
but the whole point of me cherry-picking

2032
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,520
that is the bigger picture if the

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01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:31,120
unclassified

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01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,719
uap material is not helpful for painting

2035
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:36,960
the picture of the reality behind

2036
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:39,199
whatever this phenomena is

2037
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:41,840
then why should the public be satisfied

2038
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:44,320
with the unclassified report that was

2039
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,040
given out last year on uaps if it's not

2040
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:49,520
helpful for government personnel like a

2041
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:52,400
nasa administrator who again does not

2042
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:54,960
need to know he doesn't care about our

2043
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:57,440
technical capabilities so you can't fall

2044
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,440
back on that excuse saying well the

2045
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,520
classified version of the uap report

2046
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:03,360
just had some of our technical

2047
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:05,679
capabilities that we like to keep secret

2048
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:10,239
no in in my opinion this proves that the

2049
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:12,000
unclassified material that they're

2050
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:13,280
getting out there

2051
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:15,600
is i don't want to say useless but it's

2052
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,320
not helpful in their own words so why

2053
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:20,159
should the general public be happy with

2054
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,040
it uh and we're not and and i that's why

2055
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,199
i have a case and i've had a case since

2056
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:26,800
the day after

2057
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:29,520
the unclassified uap report was

2058
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:32,239
published last year i've had a case with

2059
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:33,600
the office of the director of national

2060
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:35,920
intelligence to get the classified

2061
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:39,040
version declassified and i've posted a

2062
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:40,960
lot of updates about this i've made that

2063
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:42,880
effort very very public every step of

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01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:44,960
the way uh just so people can kind of

2065
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:47,199
see what the process is i did get

2066
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:50,320
another update this week uh where the

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01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,280
the

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01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:53,040
uh

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01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,159
office of the director of national

2070
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:56,719
intelligence is waste i almost said

2071
01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:59,679
wasting but the same thing waiting for

2072
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:02,800
other military branches to review

2073
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,600
their portions of the report so then

2074
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:07,440
they send back their recommendations on

2075
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,000
what to black out and then they send me

2076
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:12,320
the rest i do have high hopes that i

2077
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,000
will get something i don't have high

2078
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:16,239
hopes that i'll get everything

2079
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:19,040
but i i do have that effort underway

2080
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,360
but again going back to this email it

2081
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:23,440
really does show there's a lot more that

2082
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:25,520
the general public just is not seeing

2083
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,440
and it's not just our technical

2084
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,520
capabilities now what about the slide

2085
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:32,400
deck uh the powerpoint presentation

2086
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:34,159
yeah so the

2087
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:35,840
uh another email i'm not sure if i

2088
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:38,000
posted this but i can talk about it

2089
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,199
and there's no other reason other than

2090
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:41,040
there is actually something very

2091
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,639
interesting in this i'm not trying to

2092
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,400
tease but some of your audience may

2093
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,400
wonder why haven't you dropped this yet

2094
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,239
um the only reason is is because i'm

2095
01:29:53,669 --> 01:29:50,719
trying to get some comments from people

2096
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,679
on another document that uh

2097
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,040
i think is pretty interesting so we'll

2098
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,800
see how that turns out that's the only

2099
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:58,800
reason i haven't dropped everything yet

2100
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:01,040
what i have been able to to show in this

2101
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:03,760
is that it's likely about a one hour

2102
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,679
presentation so when they were talking

2103
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:07,600
about doing the briefing they needed to

2104
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:10,560
slot about an hour the slide deck that's

2105
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,320
referenced is likely a powerpoint

2106
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:14,639
presentation that someone like jay

2107
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,800
stratton or j stratton himself is

2108
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:18,960
utilizing while he's you know talking to

2109
01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:20,560
the room uh sometimes there's two or

2110
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,360
three people nasa's briefing i believe i

2111
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:25,440
was able to prove at least

2112
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:27,600
two or three people in the room i could

2113
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:30,560
not get the pentagon to confirm that uh

2114
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:32,239
the administrator was in the room as

2115
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:33,120
well

2116
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:34,480
but regardless

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01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:36,239
you know we're able to put people in the

2118
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:39,360
room that slide deck is is likely the

2119
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:42,320
on-screen presentation so i have cases

2120
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:44,960
going for the video of the brief

2121
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,880
and then for the slide deck itself

2122
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:48,560
because they will release powerpoint

2123
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:51,040
presentations i have received them in

2124
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,239
the past even uap related uh but this

2125
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:56,880
classified briefing version that

2126
01:31:02,470 --> 01:30:59,360
obviously is uh hopefully on the way

2127
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:02,480
yeah well uh randy says right here uh is

2128
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:05,040
it possible to get the slide deck uh

2129
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:07,120
sent to me this morning

2130
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:10,560
so i can review it with jim

2131
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:13,199
yeah so it's floating around and there's

2132
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:15,040
likely quite a few

2133
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,400
quite a few people that have that have

2134
01:31:20,709 --> 01:31:18,480
seen it at this point as as the evidence

2135
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:20,719
shows uh but again all of that since it

2136
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:23,840
is a navy creation um i i still file

2137
01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:27,360
with nasa just to be safe but uh and the

2138
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:30,239
navy so i filed on both fronts but it'll

2139
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:32,320
likely be the navy since it's a navy

2140
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:35,280
creation uh to to release the the slide

2141
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:37,840
deck um for those who care that's that's

2142
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:39,679
what's called an oca or an original

2143
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:42,320
classifying authority it's the

2144
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:44,639
agency that creates a document or a

2145
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:47,760
powerpoint presentation if they

2146
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:49,840
deem it classified they're the ones that

2147
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:52,080
have to make the decision to release it

2148
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:54,800
exciting man uh that's the real deal

2149
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,880
stuff right there this is fade to black

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01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:58,400
i'm middle city church tonight john

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01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:01,040
greenwald is with us when we come back

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01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:03,520
after the break

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01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:06,560
it's the nsa document that's what we

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01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:08,320
will be discussing next you stay right

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[Music]

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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[Music]

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you are listening to fate to black with

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hi

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i'm rhys evans you're listening to jimmy

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church this is revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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on radio

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[Music]

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welcome back fate to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight john greenwald is

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with us

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and uh we're gonna jump into the nsa

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report uh in just a second

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uh john before we get there

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01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,400
uh there was a one other email and

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01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:06,239
let's make this brief we'll spend maybe

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01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:08,480
five minutes on this but uh

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from uh from karen fox

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and uh

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to

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jolene and it looks like randy cruz is

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01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:19,520
here too as well but it's the talking

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01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:23,520
points on the uap uh report very

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01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:24,880
interesting

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01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:27,520
and uh where to go and where not to go

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01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:30,080
and uh and here's the current draft

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01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,159
which we didn't get the draft by the way

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or did you get the draft

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01:37:38,709 --> 01:37:36,960
so drafts are usually exempt i do have

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01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,719
the talking points though i have

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01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,560
published those before that was that was

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01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:42,560
something previously released what about

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the

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well i want to get to point number two

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the redacted talking point yes

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01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,560
yeah

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01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,800
that's the interesting one because uh

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talking point number one there's

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possibility and indeed a probability of

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life beyond earth uh nasa is searching

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01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:01,440
for blah blah blah blah blah it's what

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01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:04,000
we do however and we continue to look

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01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:05,840
and then point number two

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01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:09,119
we want to make sure

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01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:14,470
yeah uh that was a fun one it was uh i

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01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:16,320
kind of on twitter likened it too when

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you're when you're on a cell phone

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conversation with somebody and they

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they're talking to you about something

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serious and they say all right jimmy

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under no circumstances do you and then

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01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,360
the signal fades out you have no idea

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01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:29,440
what they said that was essentially

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01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:31,840
uh this document because they're talking

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01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:35,040
about the talking points uh and and um

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01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:36,880
uh karen says in the meantime i offer

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these two high-level themes

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uh

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and number one there's a possibility

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indeed a probability of life beyond

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earth and so on and so forth she goes on

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01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:48,239
and then number number two we want to

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01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:50,239
make sure and then there's like three

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01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:52,880
you know full redacted lines thereafter

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01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:54,880
and so we have no idea

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01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,080
what she's saying uh the redaction is

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what's called b5 what they call internal

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deliver deliberation

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01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:04,719
and um in the foia world we call that

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01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:08,000
redacted if you want to exemption so

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01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:11,040
there's really kind of no oversight for

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01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:12,960
exemption b5

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01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:14,800
with the other ones there is you have to

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meet certain requirements but when it

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comes to internal deliberation how do

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you really define that and it's a very

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much a legal gray area so we have no

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idea what what potentially is underneath

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01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,840
it um so anyway that that was that was

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one i highlighted today too because it's

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like you know they're talking about what

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they're going to say about uaps and they

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want to make sure

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what you know there's is a big big

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redacted blank yeah the name of the

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attachment is

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is just as awesome the name of the

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01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:45,199
attachment

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is talking points search for life

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uaps

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and it's also virgin 2 and it's a word

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doc ah

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01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,159
that never sneaks through on foia you

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don't get the attachments

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yes uh actually uh

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on the contrary have quite a few quite a

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01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:07,119
few times and in fact i'll look i

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believe that the talking points uh at

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01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:11,199
least the final version was released

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01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,600
before i'll all look out and tweet it

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01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:15,280
after the show um

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okay but i'm i'm fairly confident that

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was that was uh that was released before

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01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,760
the draft documents though that's what's

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01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,600
hard to get a hold of because

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01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:25,840
draft documents are likely exempted

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under b5 because they're still they're

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01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:28,960
still figuring out what they're going to

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01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:32,480
say hence why it's a draft so in

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in the foia world b5 gives them the

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01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:37,440
option to just redact everything until

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01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:39,760
there is a final released version so

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everything's deleted under b5 or

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redacted under b5 and then the final

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01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:46,560
version is released now let's get to

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01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,000
this uh let's get to this nsa report

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01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:52,400
um a little nsa report that rocked the

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01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,320
world and and it continues um uh

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01:41:02,229 --> 01:40:59,040
the brief background on this uh for

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01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,239
anybody that uh doesn't know by now uh

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01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:04,719
lou elizondo was on the show last week i

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01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:07,840
had not heard about this report and he i

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01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:10,400
think i'm paraphrasing here uh i think

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01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:12,000
that he said during the show that he had

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01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,000
gotten uh this report that morning

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01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,040
and then spoke about it briefly

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01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,000
um and and then of course everything

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01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,480
just took off from there i immediately

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01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:26,880
after the show that night i was sent

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01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:29,520
uh a copy of the report you and i talked

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01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:30,639
about this

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01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:33,760
uh over the weekend and my question

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01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:34,800
uh

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01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,560
i think that both you and i had with

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01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,480
each other was were we looking at the

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01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:40,480
same reports because i was pointing

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01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:42,880
stuff out to you and you were missing it

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01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:45,760
and then you found it um and then i i

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01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:48,480
was busy i didn't get back until los

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01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:51,440
angeles um until sunday night but that

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01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,760
was always my question were we looking

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01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:55,679
at because i found

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01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:57,840
like four other versions with different

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01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:02,080
titles of this at nsa.gov

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01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:04,880
and but the copy of the report that i'm

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01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:06,639
holding in my hand

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01:42:13,830 --> 01:42:11,440
is i believe is what uh lou had that day

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01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:13,840
you have just sent me again this is just

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01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:15,199
all background we're going to get into

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01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:16,080
this

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01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:18,320
um in just a second

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01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:19,280
um

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01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:21,600
you sent me

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01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:25,119
the the date of my report which i'm

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01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:26,960
holding up here it's the same

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01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:29,760
classification numbers i'm looking at uh

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01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:31,040
your cover

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01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,760
um and this was

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01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:34,960
uh

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01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:36,159
from

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01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:40,239
uh 19 a winner of fall 74 winter 74

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01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:42,639
spring 75 spring 75

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01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:44,320
so this

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01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:46,560
uh this version that i'm holding in my

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01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:47,360
hand

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01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,400
is let's just go 1970 it's spring 75

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01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:52,560
spring seven so yeah so the document i

2390
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:53,760
showed you

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01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,760
those are different articles

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01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:57,600
so yes the one you're holding is spring

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01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:00,880
of 1975. that's that's a documented fact

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01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:02,639
okay i'm holding it up to the screen

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01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:04,719
everybody can look at it you can see the

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01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:07,040
classification numbers

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01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:10,080
up here it doesn't say classified it

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01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:11,520
says

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01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:14,880
for official use only and that's what's

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01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:17,280
at the the top of the report now

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01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:21,440
um the genesis if we shall use such a

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01:43:25,470 --> 01:43:22,400
word

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01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:25,480
um falls back to

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01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:27,199
1966

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01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:31,440
and uh which you've also uh sent me the

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01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:34,480
proof of that and the document number

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01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:38,080
uh nsa technical journal um and so forth

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01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:39,119
april

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01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:40,639
uh

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01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:42,639
it's dated here and you've sent me

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01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:44,639
copies of that now the reason why this

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01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:48,080
is important everybody is because when i

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01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:50,639
was reading through this and i went back

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01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:54,159
to john john ed said to me uh i think

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01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:56,639
this is from 1966 and i said well what

2416
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:58,000
i'm holding

2417
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:01,360
has dates mentioned in here of specific

2418
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:05,520
conferences from 1971 and 1973

2419
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:08,159
so unless somebody was in a time machine

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01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:10,400
i don't think this was from 1966. so we

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01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:11,840
have said that's still possible it's

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01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:12,080
still

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01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:14,239
[Laughter]

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01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,320
still possible um

2425
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:19,119
uh but john and i were trying to chase

2426
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,119
this down and trying to make sure that

2427
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:23,760
we were looking at the same document

2428
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:26,239
yeah and thankfully and this one has a a

2429
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:28,080
pretty straightforward easy explanation

2430
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:30,000
and the part of the story

2431
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:32,080
that came up on your show

2432
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:36,320
that i think is is um

2433
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:38,159
i think it plays a role in the story is

2434
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,159
that what mr elizondo had read on the

2435
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:42,400
air for you was not the document but

2436
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,080
rather the headline

2437
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:46,320
that that caught his that caught his

2438
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,280
attention

2439
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:49,920
and the headline was from a newspaper in

2440
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:52,239
the uk called the sun

2441
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,360
and for those that look at ufo headlines

2442
01:45:01,750 --> 01:44:56,960
and you come across something either

2443
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:01,760
from you know the sun or the daily star

2444
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:04,480
they're kind of more tabloidish papers

2445
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:05,199
so

2446
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,199
you've got a popular show you know that

2447
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:09,600
jimmy you got a big audience so when mr

2448
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:12,320
elizondo was talking about this um i

2449
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:13,840
started receiving a lot of messages

2450
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:15,920
about hey nsa just released this new

2451
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:17,520
document you gotta check it out you

2452
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:20,000
gotta check it out and after a couple

2453
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:21,840
uh

2454
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:23,280
you know direct messages and stuff like

2455
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:24,960
that i was like what like where's this

2456
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:26,880
coming from like what what did nsa

2457
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:29,280
release they've said for decades now

2458
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:31,199
that they've released everything so i

2459
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:32,400
started putting two and two together

2460
01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:34,480
that it came out on your show i you know

2461
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,119
tuned in found the part that it listened

2462
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:39,440
that i um came out in

2463
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:41,440
figured out it was the sun and i was

2464
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:42,800
i'll be honest with you i was really

2465
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:45,760
surprised that he brought up the sun

2466
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:47,920
just simply because it's not known for

2467
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:50,000
its accuracy

2468
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:52,800
so digging in a little bit more

2469
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:54,800
the document that they highlighted was

2470
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:56,880
something that i had pegged as coming

2471
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,280
out in at least to me in 1996

2472
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:03,520
but but it likely been around since uh

2473
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:06,880
probably 1980 1981 that that time frame

2474
01:46:11,830 --> 01:46:09,360
but regardless 1996

2475
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:11,840
to your point where i can clear this up

2476
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,880
easily

2477
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:14,880
is that there are different versions of

2478
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:16,960
essentially the same document but

2479
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:18,080
updated

2480
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:20,000
the one that was sent to me

2481
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:22,960
was a training exercise that was

2482
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:25,119
published in an internal

2483
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:27,760
nsa

2484
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:32,719
technical journal

2485
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:35,440
and in 1966

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01:46:40,390 --> 01:46:37,520
this

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01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:40,400
the author lambros kalamajo and i i hope

2488
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:42,320
i have that pronounced correctly uh but

2489
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:45,679
he was well known in in cr crypto

2490
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:48,560
cryptology and and essentially codes and

2491
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:49,840
stuff like that

2492
01:46:56,030 --> 01:46:52,840
and he was doing a training exercise in

2493
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:56,040
1966 where he essentially created

2494
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:58,400
extraterrestrial messages

2495
01:47:03,030 --> 01:46:59,520
and

2496
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:03,040
in this article was the key to because

2497
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:04,639
again it was a it was a training

2498
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:06,960
exercise but that page is never really

2499
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,119
shown because it blows the whole story

2500
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:11,440
so they kind of omit the page where the

2501
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:13,119
answers are given

2502
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:14,960
and they focus on the extraterrestrial

2503
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:17,520
messages but again it was all a training

2504
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:20,080
exercise now let me let me let me jump

2505
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:21,760
in though uh

2506
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:24,880
the sun the daily whatever mirror the

2507
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:26,719
sun yeah

2508
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:28,719
they're all uh

2509
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:30,639
very close to

2510
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:32,960
uh the tabloids that

2511
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:34,719
we used to get in line at the

2512
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:38,560
supermarket and uh you know elvis has uh

2513
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:41,600
an alien baby with uh with a martian and

2514
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:43,360
and the photographs are on the cover

2515
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:45,600
okay that's that's that's fine but the

2516
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:48,080
document itself

2517
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:54,159
nsa.gov

2518
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:55,520
website

2519
01:47:57,189 --> 01:47:56,400
um

2520
01:48:02,950 --> 01:47:57,199
the

2521
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,960
we'll get into now because i found it

2522
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:04,800
completely fascinating

2523
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:08,000
um were not what the headlines

2524
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:10,239
suggested from

2525
01:48:14,229 --> 01:48:12,400
the sun two different two different

2526
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:14,239
things going on here

2527
01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:15,360
um

2528
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:16,719
this was

2529
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:20,159
uh an attempt at discussion

2530
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:23,280
um uh not only with the nsa and

2531
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,000
cryptographers and the way that we would

2532
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:28,400
uh possibly intercept a message and how

2533
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:31,760
we would uh decipher it and and and

2534
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:33,920
we'll do the deep dive into this in just

2535
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:37,679
a bit or if we're sending out

2536
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:38,880
a message

2537
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:42,639
how should we then send it and how would

2538
01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:45,119
uh an extraterrestrial civilization out

2539
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:47,360
there be able to understand what we are

2540
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:49,840
sending and that's what the report

2541
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:53,119
essentially does in great detail

2542
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:55,360
correct and to go back to the one that

2543
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:58,080
you're holding the easy explanation on

2544
01:49:04,070 --> 01:48:59,600
the difference

2545
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:04,080
is that in 19 let me make sure yeah 1975

2546
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:05,760
like we already covered it was

2547
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:08,880
republished in another internal nsa

2548
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:11,440
newsletter called the cryptologic

2549
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,639
spectrum

2550
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:14,639
and it's the same thing as the nsa

2551
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:16,400
technical journal these are like

2552
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:19,760
internal newsletters circulated uh

2553
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:22,080
through through the agency to people

2554
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:23,199
that uh

2555
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:25,119
if something is classified they're

2556
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:27,280
cleared to see it there are classified

2557
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:30,159
uh articles that appear in this or the

2558
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:32,639
unclassified material but regardless

2559
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:34,159
they're all internal newsletters again

2560
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:37,520
used for trainings uh the sun had linked

2561
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:40,159
to the 1975 version

2562
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:43,119
versus versus the 1966. but i actually

2563
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:45,599
put them side by side and it's just

2564
01:49:50,750 --> 01:49:47,760
simply a a kind of an update where they

2565
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:50,760
make reference to the 1970 uh the the

2566
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:54,400
1970s and and events that happened there

2567
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:56,719
uh but the alien messages if you put

2568
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,960
them side by side are the same so the

2569
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:00,719
training was all

2570
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:03,199
was all um in line with what they did in

2571
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:04,719
1966

2572
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:07,280
what i had mentioned to lou and this is

2573
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:09,760
one of the things that i was happy about

2574
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:12,880
in this report what i said to lou is if

2575
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:14,320
this is some

2576
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:15,679
uh

2577
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:25,920
lately

2578
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,480
that's one thing but if it's 10 years

2579
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:30,800
old i think it's more fascinating and if

2580
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:32,560
it's older than that

2581
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:34,880
and it's this type of communication i

2582
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:37,679
find that even more interesting and then

2583
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:39,920
once i got the document and read through

2584
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:40,639
it

2585
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:44,480
could tell

2586
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,679
that this was a couple of decades old at

2587
01:50:52,310 --> 01:50:49,440
least and that to me was more

2588
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:52,320
fascinating that this kind of

2589
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:54,960
conversation uh has been happening for a

2590
01:50:59,030 --> 01:50:57,199
long time at the nsa

2591
01:51:01,910 --> 01:50:59,040
yeah and you got to look at the era

2592
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:01,920
though uh in fairness to to

2593
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,800
why they would do this this is 1966 the

2594
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,560
u.s air force was still having their

2595
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:08,000
very public

2596
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:09,920
ufo investigative effort known as

2597
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:12,560
project blue book uh the books were

2598
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:14,239
pardon the pun but the book was still

2599
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,679
open on that so they were still

2600
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:18,080
investigating it so it's not a surprise

2601
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:19,920
that they would use something like an

2602
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:21,040
alien

2603
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:22,080
message

2604
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:24,239
simply because that was being bantered

2605
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:26,080
about at the time especially because

2606
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,239
they had an ongoing investigative effort

2607
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:32,560
but it is interesting nonetheless it is

2608
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:34,960
interesting that they were using that as

2609
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:37,679
a training exercise i wrote about it in

2610
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:39,840
my book that i published a few years ago

2611
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:41,679
uh for that reason that they were

2612
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:44,480
looking at that type of scenario that if

2613
01:51:48,629 --> 01:51:46,960
we were to get alien messages how would

2614
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:48,639
we decode them

2615
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:51,840
i made a video about all of this um and

2616
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:54,080
and showed that that that these

2617
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:56,080
documents even the the different

2618
01:51:59,589 --> 01:51:57,360
versions of them

2619
01:52:02,550 --> 01:51:59,599
that's not it there were other authors

2620
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:02,560
internally that talked about et messages

2621
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,920
and decoding uh et messages within the

2622
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:07,920
nsa and i and i have those as well and

2623
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:08,719
have

2624
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:10,880
published them on the black vault so you

2625
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:12,719
can you can download those so this

2626
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:14,800
wasn't a standalone

2627
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:16,880
document right it was the only time they

2628
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:19,440
used the et communication as a training

2629
01:52:23,990 --> 01:52:21,840
tool it actually there's more of them by

2630
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:24,000
different authors so it was it was

2631
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:25,520
interesting to see that it is not

2632
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:27,760
something that uh that went away or was

2633
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:29,520
standalone they did use it in a few

2634
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:30,480
instances

2635
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:33,760
now what did you make of uh specifically

2636
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:35,920
i keep going back to this

2637
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,840
uh 1971 and 1973 conference one was at

2638
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:41,199
arecibo

2639
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:44,159
i think carl sagan was in at that one i

2640
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:45,440
could be wrong

2641
01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:48,800
uh but uh sagan is mentioned in here but

2642
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:52,000
this international conference at arecibo

2643
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:55,840
um and they also um in here uh mentioned

2644
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:58,080
that at that time arecibo was the

2645
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:00,800
largest radio telescope in the world

2646
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:04,000
and that's what we would probably

2647
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:07,760
uh send and receive uh uh a potential

2648
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:09,920
alien communication with

2649
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,880
and they had this conference at arecibo

2650
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:14,960
and then the other conference

2651
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:18,080
uh was held in and they say it directly

2652
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:19,040
in here

2653
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:20,560
uh uh

2654
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:23,360
soviet controlled armenia

2655
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:26,800
um so and that was in 1973

2656
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:31,199
uh very interesting that it appears to

2657
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:32,159
um

2658
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:35,280
uh that i haven't heard reference of

2659
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:37,920
conferences about uh alien communication

2660
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:40,239
going on but here it's directly

2661
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:42,560
referenced in 71 and 73. what did you

2662
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:43,679
make of that

2663
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:46,800
well that's a documented part of us

2664
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:49,440
reaching out to the stars so when they

2665
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:53,199
opened arecibo the telescope in in 1974

2666
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:54,800
that's when they sent the aracebo

2667
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:57,520
message and in that document you can see

2668
01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:00,400
the breakdown of the binary code that

2669
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:02,800
they used and the diagram that they sent

2670
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:05,760
out to the stars the first i remember i

2671
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:07,920
did a story on discovery channel about

2672
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:11,119
this where it was kind of silly

2673
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:12,960
when they originally sent the message

2674
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:13,760
out

2675
01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:14,560
they

2676
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:16,000
generally when you do stuff like that

2677
01:54:21,910 --> 01:54:19,199
you time it to what's in the sky uh and

2678
01:54:23,830 --> 01:54:21,920
so you wait until that opportune moment

2679
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:23,840
that where you're shooting the message

2680
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:25,280
where you're trying to get it to is

2681
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:26,800
above you right

2682
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:28,560
well this they wanted to just they

2683
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:29,679
didn't care about where they were

2684
01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:31,679
sending it simply because they wanted to

2685
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:34,800
time it to the opening of the arecibo

2686
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:37,360
facility in puerto rico and so they just

2687
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:39,840
shot it out to whatever was up there

2688
01:54:43,990 --> 01:54:42,880
and it was it was 25

2689
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,000
25

2690
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:46,639
000 light years from earth which meant

2691
01:54:50,310 --> 01:54:48,880
when the message beamed out to the stars

2692
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:50,320
in our attempt to communicate with

2693
01:54:53,830 --> 01:54:52,239
aliens it was going to get it was going

2694
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:53,840
to take 25

2695
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:55,840
000 years to get there

2696
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:58,400
let's just say on the off chance that

2697
01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:00,480
m13 which was where they shot this

2698
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:02,480
message to that there was an intelligent

2699
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,719
civilization that had the capability

2700
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:06,960
to get it receive it decode it

2701
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:09,920
understand it and shoot a message back

2702
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:12,880
that meant that it wouldn't be for 50

2703
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:15,840
000 years before humanity would get get

2704
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:18,400
a response to the arecibo message now i

2705
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:21,280
forget where they they sent it later uh

2706
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:22,880
but they you know the scientific

2707
01:55:26,709 --> 01:55:24,400
community just essentially laughed at

2708
01:55:28,470 --> 01:55:26,719
that it's like 50 000 years

2709
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:28,480
you know and that again that's if they

2710
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:31,040
get it and immediately turn down uh turn

2711
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:32,400
back a message

2712
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:34,080
so that was silly so they ended up

2713
01:55:38,790 --> 01:55:36,800
resending it to another uh galaxy much

2714
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:38,800
closer in hopes that somebody would see

2715
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:39,520
it

2716
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:44,560
actual attempt to communicate but those

2717
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:46,560
conferences especially in the the early

2718
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:49,280
to to mid 1970s

2719
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,520
um that was when when we were getting

2720
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:53,199
the capability to shoot out these

2721
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:56,320
messages and arecibo at the time was

2722
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:58,719
that that biggest uh telescope radio

2723
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:01,280
telescope that we had so yeah they they

2724
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:03,199
had these conferences and and they had

2725
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,880
these discussions a lot and this this

2726
01:56:11,830 --> 01:56:08,400
conversation is

2727
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:11,840
one of my favorites on whether or not we

2728
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:14,719
should be broadcasting out there to an

2729
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:17,040
extraterrestrial civilization or an

2730
01:56:22,629 --> 01:56:19,440
intelligent species saying this is who

2731
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:22,639
we are this is our dna this is you know

2732
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:25,840
our our capabilities this is who we are

2733
01:56:29,109 --> 01:56:27,199
uh because we don't know what's out

2734
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:29,119
there and so there's this big debate and

2735
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:31,760
has had that we've had this big debate

2736
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:33,920
for decades on whether or not we should

2737
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:36,639
be doing that and whether or not seti or

2738
01:56:41,750 --> 01:56:39,280
or eseti um

2739
01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:41,760
should be doing any of this in trying to

2740
01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:43,440
communicate with the stars because we

2741
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:46,639
have no idea what kind of blueprints uh

2742
01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:48,400
to humanity we are just sending out

2743
01:56:52,550 --> 01:56:50,480
there who we're giving them to so i i

2744
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:52,560
mean i can go off on tangents for hours

2745
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:54,560
on that but it's a fascinating

2746
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,040
conversation and it has gone on for

2747
01:57:01,350 --> 01:56:59,760
decades based on some of these original

2748
01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:01,360
messages that we started blasting out

2749
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:03,760
there now uh they

2750
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:07,599
the pros and cons are also pointed out

2751
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:08,960
in this and

2752
01:57:13,030 --> 01:57:10,560
it's the same debate that we're having

2753
01:57:14,310 --> 01:57:13,040
today right they were discussing this 40

2754
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:14,320
years ago

2755
01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:17,040
um now you just mentioned and this is

2756
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:18,560
another point that i found interesting

2757
01:57:23,669 --> 01:57:21,040
arecibo opens in 1974

2758
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:23,679
they had a conference at arosebo

2759
01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:27,520
in 1971 so it must have been when it was

2760
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:29,920
under construction it was a reopening

2761
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:32,800
yeah the 74 was a remodel reopening oh

2762
01:57:39,589 --> 01:57:34,880
okay well it was a reopening but the the

2763
01:57:42,550 --> 01:57:39,599
conference for it was in 1971. and again

2764
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:42,560
it was something for me

2765
01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:45,520
uh that was in such great detail where

2766
01:57:49,189 --> 01:57:46,480
they

2767
01:57:52,030 --> 01:57:49,199
were looking at frequencies of atoms

2768
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:52,040
helium hydrogen what is it that an

2769
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:53,840
extraterrestrial race out there would

2770
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,920
basically understand first and that is

2771
01:58:00,470 --> 01:57:58,080
the frequency of certain atoms

2772
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:00,480
and and we should communicate on those

2773
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:02,400
frequencies and then

2774
01:58:08,070 --> 01:58:05,040
uh we could get the symbols

2775
01:58:10,790 --> 01:58:08,080
uh tied to a certain

2776
01:58:12,709 --> 01:58:10,800
frequency and how we would repeat that

2777
01:58:15,750 --> 01:58:12,719
over and over again so they would

2778
01:58:18,390 --> 01:58:15,760
understand that this wasn't a natural

2779
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:18,400
uh radio occurrence and that we should

2780
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:20,960
understand the same thing coming at us

2781
01:58:25,669 --> 01:58:22,960
what would be a natural

2782
01:58:29,109 --> 01:58:25,679
uh uh radio signal right a fast radio

2783
01:58:33,030 --> 01:58:29,119
burst and what would be unnatural or or

2784
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:33,040
artificial and a a very laser-focused

2785
01:58:36,550 --> 01:58:34,960
approach

2786
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:36,560
yeah i didn't mention who actually

2787
01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:38,320
created the message or spearheaded the

2788
01:58:43,589 --> 01:58:40,800
effort and that was frank drake who had

2789
01:58:45,830 --> 01:58:43,599
created it and i i kicked myself because

2790
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:45,840
when i shot a couple shows up at seti

2791
01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:48,000
and i was there a few times i never got

2792
01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:51,040
to meet uh dr drake um shot with seth

2793
01:58:55,910 --> 01:58:53,599
shawstak and quite a few other amazing

2794
01:58:57,990 --> 01:58:55,920
seti people i know sometimes in ufo

2795
01:59:00,550 --> 01:58:58,000
circles they get a bad name but they are

2796
01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:00,560
an amazing group of scientists uh and

2797
01:59:04,870 --> 01:59:02,560
and brilliant minds i had a blast up

2798
01:59:06,709 --> 01:59:04,880
there so sadly i didn't get to meet him

2799
01:59:09,350 --> 01:59:06,719
but he was the one that created the

2800
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signal he worked with carl sagan uh

2801
01:59:14,310 --> 01:59:11,360
around that time in you know leading up

2802
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to that 1974 blast and and yeah they

2803
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broke down what kind of scientific

2804
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information they should put on there

2805
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which included all of that and then some

2806
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let's take our break right here and john

2807
01:59:25,350 --> 01:59:23,520
we're going to continue this

2808
01:59:26,950 --> 01:59:25,360
conversation also

2809
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uh when we come back i want to know

2810
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about your other nsa

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uh alien communication docs that you

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have up on the black vault we'll do all

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of that next this is fade to black i'm

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on the game changer radio network

2920
02:04:58,550 --> 02:04:55,030
welcome back fade to black i am your

2921
02:05:03,669 --> 02:05:00,310
tonight john greenwald is here from the

2922
02:05:05,750 --> 02:05:03,679
black vault i have just retweeted

2923
02:05:08,229 --> 02:05:05,760
uh john put up uh

2924
02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:08,239
his ufo related documents from the nsa

2925
02:05:13,669 --> 02:05:11,199
including extraterrestrial communication

2926
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:13,679
and messages articles so that's up in

2927
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:15,840
twitter you can go

2928
02:05:20,390 --> 02:05:18,400
and uh and check that out and i want to

2929
02:05:23,030 --> 02:05:20,400
continue this conversation

2930
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:23,040
uh on a very uh a dark night for the

2931
02:05:27,189 --> 02:05:24,239
world where

2932
02:05:29,669 --> 02:05:27,199
war is uh broken out in europe everybody

2933
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:29,679
this is uh just absolutely crazy

2934
02:05:37,510 --> 02:05:32,960
uh john yeah wow okay

2935
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:37,520
uh back to the nsa and ufos let's uh

2936
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:39,679
let's get off of the subject of uh

2937
02:05:42,310 --> 02:05:41,520
what's going on over in europe

2938
02:05:43,669 --> 02:05:42,320
uh

2939
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:43,679
the

2940
02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:48,480
had mentioned this earlier that this

2941
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:52,400
document uh 1966 uh which is the

2942
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:54,159
progenator of everything else and the

2943
02:06:01,030 --> 02:05:56,960
one that i have here from 1975

2944
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:01,040
is just a part of what the nsa

2945
02:06:05,270 --> 02:06:03,440
has released over the years and you have

2946
02:06:06,149 --> 02:06:05,280
been on top of this

2947
02:06:07,430 --> 02:06:06,159
um

2948
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:07,440
what is it

2949
02:06:12,470 --> 02:06:09,599
the nsa is

2950
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:12,480
is listening to everything all the time

2951
02:06:17,910 --> 02:06:16,239
and if uh if the communication came in

2952
02:06:20,709 --> 02:06:17,920
let's say to

2953
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:20,719
well arecibo's no longer up and running

2954
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:22,880
but uh we have other radio telescopes

2955
02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:25,520
around the world and of course china has

2956
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:27,840
uh the two largest right now

2957
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:28,960
um

2958
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:30,960
would the nsa

2959
02:06:37,589 --> 02:06:35,199
uh uh intercept and and take the lead on

2960
02:06:40,950 --> 02:06:37,599
uh a radio communication that would come

2961
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:43,270
this was a fascinating question that i

2962
02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:44,960
don't have the answer to

2963
02:06:48,229 --> 02:06:46,560
for you but that i learned with that

2964
02:06:50,069 --> 02:06:48,239
television show i had produced for

2965
02:06:51,510 --> 02:06:50,079
discovery on and it was about

2966
02:06:53,430 --> 02:06:51,520
communication with aliens and

2967
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:53,440
essentially the question i i wanted to

2968
02:06:58,069 --> 02:06:56,000
answer was who speaks for humanity when

2969
02:07:00,629 --> 02:06:58,079
something like that happens is it the

2970
02:07:03,669 --> 02:07:00,639
u.s government does it get kept secret

2971
02:07:06,149 --> 02:07:03,679
is it seti is there a world entity that

2972
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:06,159
would speak for humanity as a whole and

2973
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:08,079
i was i think

2974
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:09,199
shocked

2975
02:07:13,030 --> 02:07:10,800
truly because

2976
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:13,040
i couldn't find anything and it shocked

2977
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:15,360
me because there was no

2978
02:07:19,189 --> 02:07:17,280
anything that we could reference in this

2979
02:07:21,750 --> 02:07:19,199
television show to show what would

2980
02:07:23,750 --> 02:07:21,760
happen if a message was received so

2981
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,760
would the nsa take the lead we don't

2982
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:25,440
know there's no

2983
02:07:29,910 --> 02:07:27,840
there's nothing known about it uh quite

2984
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:29,920
a few years ago now i

2985
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:32,880
filed what i call fishing foias to uh

2986
02:07:37,589 --> 02:07:35,840
different uh agencies on their protocols

2987
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:37,599
and and essentially what their roadmap

2988
02:07:44,069 --> 02:07:41,520
is is if a alien signal came in or a

2989
02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:44,079
communication of some kind what do what

2990
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:46,079
do these agencies do was the cia do was

2991
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:47,840
the nsa do and all of them came back no

2992
02:07:50,709 --> 02:07:49,920
records now they could be lying of

2993
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:50,719
course

2994
02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:52,960
but essentially nobody had anything

2995
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:56,320
related to what they would do if an et

2996
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:58,800
communication arrived um i asked the

2997
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:01,199
steady people and i i didn't really get

2998
02:08:06,950 --> 02:08:04,880
a solid answer on if something comes in

2999
02:08:09,669 --> 02:08:06,960
and said he receives it do you guys

3000
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:09,679
automatically now speak for humanity and

3001
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:12,159
and what what happens and and

3002
02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:15,679
there was really no

3003
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:18,159
set written rule for the planet as a

3004
02:08:22,069 --> 02:08:20,480
whole seti had working documents that we

3005
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:22,079
were able to show and they had

3006
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:24,320
definitely a starting point

3007
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:26,000
but again it was such a shock to me

3008
02:08:30,390 --> 02:08:28,000
because you realize that if something

3009
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:30,400
like this were to happen tomorrow

3010
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:32,159
and and on the night here we're talking

3011
02:08:35,270 --> 02:08:33,760
about it where war is breaking out in

3012
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:35,280
europe

3013
02:08:38,950 --> 02:08:37,199
what happens what does the world do do

3014
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:38,960
we finally stop and get along and go

3015
02:08:43,990 --> 02:08:41,199
okay we got to communicate let's put in

3016
02:08:46,470 --> 02:08:44,000
you know rule number xyz in place no

3017
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:46,480
there's no no indication of anything so

3018
02:08:51,109 --> 02:08:48,159
there was there's working documents

3019
02:08:53,030 --> 02:08:51,119
floating around but nothing solid so

3020
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:53,040
going back to your question who knows

3021
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:55,679
what the government would do because the

3022
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:58,000
the question then would be if they do

3023
02:09:02,229 --> 02:09:00,480
try and classify it you do have all

3024
02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:02,239
these other countries with

3025
02:09:06,390 --> 02:09:04,079
high level capabilities where if a

3026
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:06,400
signal came in we're likely not going to

3027
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:08,480
be the only ones to get it so if the

3028
02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:10,320
government comes in and tries to squash

3029
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:12,960
it uh go into carl sagan's contact and

3030
02:09:16,229 --> 02:09:14,880
you know they try and get involved right

3031
02:09:17,830 --> 02:09:16,239
would they would they essentially be

3032
02:09:19,990 --> 02:09:17,840
able to do that in this day and age and

3033
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:20,000
my guess would be no i don't think that

3034
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:21,760
they could i think that they would try

3035
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:23,599
and weasel themselves in to make sure

3036
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:25,440
that they were involved but i don't

3037
02:09:29,189 --> 02:09:27,040
think there's any way to cover something

3038
02:09:32,149 --> 02:09:29,199
like that up because there's too much

3039
02:09:35,750 --> 02:09:32,159
power when it comes to technology in the

3040
02:09:38,709 --> 02:09:35,760
world's fear for them to to see it hear

3041
02:09:42,229 --> 02:09:38,719
it uh dissect it or or whatever but but

3042
02:09:45,030 --> 02:09:42,239
there's no classifying that yeah and and

3043
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:45,040
astronomers communicate astrophysicists

3044
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:48,159
communicate and those that are sitting

3045
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:51,920
at a radio telescope complex

3046
02:09:56,310 --> 02:09:54,719
and and a signal comes in that they lock

3047
02:09:57,750 --> 02:09:56,320
on what are they going to do well

3048
02:09:58,830 --> 02:09:57,760
they're going to reach out to all of

3049
02:10:01,990 --> 02:09:58,840
their

3050
02:10:04,470 --> 02:10:02,000
uh friends around the world and go hey

3051
02:10:06,790 --> 02:10:04,480
we've got the signal can you confirm

3052
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:06,800
uh we're trying to triangulate it uh

3053
02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:08,560
lock on here it is it's at this

3054
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:10,400
frequency it's coming from this area of

3055
02:10:15,510 --> 02:10:13,440
space and uh it's gonna be a

3056
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:15,520
multi-country

3057
02:10:17,910 --> 02:10:16,639
uh

3058
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:17,920
access

3059
02:10:22,069 --> 02:10:19,920
to this information it just won't be a

3060
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:22,079
united states thing right

3061
02:10:25,510 --> 02:10:23,840
no it wouldn't and i think carl sagan

3062
02:10:26,870 --> 02:10:25,520
had that right in contact where you

3063
02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:26,880
would have to

3064
02:10:30,550 --> 02:10:28,880
essentially work together if it is you

3065
02:10:33,030 --> 02:10:30,560
know one of these line line of sight

3066
02:10:34,709 --> 02:10:33,040
things where facilities here uh either

3067
02:10:37,189 --> 02:10:34,719
in the continental us or hawaii or

3068
02:10:39,430 --> 02:10:37,199
whatever only see certain parts of the

3069
02:10:40,950 --> 02:10:39,440
sky in certain parts of the day so all

3070
02:10:43,189 --> 02:10:40,960
of a sudden you're gonna have to come

3071
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:43,199
together at least on that scientific

3072
02:10:47,669 --> 02:10:45,840
front to continue to track the signal so

3073
02:10:49,350 --> 02:10:47,679
you have to get everybody involved you

3074
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:49,360
kind of have no choice and i think

3075
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:51,440
that's a to me anyway that was a very

3076
02:10:54,790 --> 02:10:54,000
overlooked part of contact that even

3077
02:10:57,510 --> 02:10:54,800
though

3078
02:10:59,510 --> 02:10:57,520
it was more focused on the technology

3079
02:11:01,030 --> 02:10:59,520
you look at the fact that the world had

3080
02:11:04,069 --> 02:11:01,040
to come together

3081
02:11:05,990 --> 02:11:04,079
in order to see the message in full and

3082
02:11:07,589 --> 02:11:06,000
continue to see the message and full and

3083
02:11:10,310 --> 02:11:07,599
work together and i think it was a

3084
02:11:12,470 --> 02:11:10,320
powerful you know a powerful message

3085
02:11:14,550 --> 02:11:12,480
that carl sagan had in that in that

3086
02:11:17,430 --> 02:11:14,560
writing in that you know fictional

3087
02:11:19,430 --> 02:11:17,440
scenario that we have to come together

3088
02:11:21,830 --> 02:11:19,440
and work together to

3089
02:11:23,990 --> 02:11:21,840
get into a scenario like that so could

3090
02:11:25,669 --> 02:11:24,000
we you know you look at the events that

3091
02:11:27,030 --> 02:11:25,679
are unfolding as you and i are talking

3092
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:27,040
about this

3093
02:11:29,350 --> 02:11:28,320
i don't think the world would know what

3094
02:11:31,910 --> 02:11:29,360
to do

3095
02:11:35,030 --> 02:11:31,920
and and i think that's such a sad state

3096
02:11:37,030 --> 02:11:35,040
of affairs that here we are in 2022

3097
02:11:39,189 --> 02:11:37,040
uh we would just short circuit as a

3098
02:11:41,109 --> 02:11:39,199
planet we would not be able to number

3099
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:41,119
one handle it but number two figure out

3100
02:11:46,229 --> 02:11:43,440
what to do or work together now there's

3101
02:11:48,709 --> 02:11:46,239
another part of this document

3102
02:11:51,109 --> 02:11:48,719
which goes back to exactly what we're

3103
02:11:53,589 --> 02:11:51,119
talking about now

3104
02:11:55,910 --> 02:11:53,599
how interesting uh

3105
02:11:57,990 --> 02:11:55,920
how how much times have changed because

3106
02:12:00,870 --> 02:11:58,000
this document was written

3107
02:12:03,669 --> 02:12:00,880
uh before the discovery of exoplanets

3108
02:12:07,350 --> 02:12:03,679
and so the theoretical numbers that they

3109
02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:07,360
were throwing um around back then about

3110
02:12:11,669 --> 02:12:09,520
potential planets in our milky way and

3111
02:12:14,229 --> 02:12:11,679
they're talking about frank drake and

3112
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:14,239
and and that is pointed out here um how

3113
02:12:18,870 --> 02:12:16,480
far off those numbers were

3114
02:12:22,069 --> 02:12:18,880
um and where we are today with 40

3115
02:12:25,030 --> 02:12:22,079
billion earth-like planets just in our

3116
02:12:27,669 --> 02:12:25,040
milky way alone in our in our galaxy

3117
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:27,679
another part that they bring up in here

3118
02:12:32,390 --> 02:12:30,320
is beaming out something to a great

3119
02:12:35,189 --> 02:12:32,400
distance and you had just mentioned

3120
02:12:38,149 --> 02:12:35,199
uh 25 000 light years away and they

3121
02:12:39,830 --> 02:12:38,159
mention what is around us you know the

3122
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:39,840
the closer stars

3123
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:42,480
and here's here's the rub

3124
02:12:50,709 --> 02:12:47,119
we know that we have uh over 2 000

3125
02:12:54,229 --> 02:12:50,719
stars that are between 50 and 100 light

3126
02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:54,239
years away and we now know today as fact

3127
02:12:57,990 --> 02:12:56,159
that every one of those stars has at

3128
02:13:00,229 --> 02:12:58,000
least one planet

3129
02:13:02,629 --> 02:13:00,239
we know this this is where this report

3130
02:13:04,470 --> 02:13:02,639
was written before we had that that kind

3131
02:13:06,229 --> 02:13:04,480
of data

3132
02:13:08,790 --> 02:13:06,239
but what they do point out in this

3133
02:13:10,870 --> 02:13:08,800
report is radio signals that have left

3134
02:13:12,709 --> 02:13:10,880
the planet uh

3135
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:12,719
a hundred years ago

3136
02:13:18,149 --> 02:13:16,000
um are now reaching stars that are 100

3137
02:13:23,589 --> 02:13:18,159
light years away

3138
02:13:25,750 --> 02:13:23,599
intelligent we should now

3139
02:13:26,589 --> 02:13:25,760
be receiving stuff back

3140
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:26,599
and

3141
02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:32,400
moving forward if we're going to receive

3142
02:13:34,550 --> 02:13:33,679
a signal

3143
02:13:36,550 --> 02:13:34,560
uh

3144
02:13:37,990 --> 02:13:36,560
we should be listening now more than

3145
02:13:40,470 --> 02:13:38,000
ever

3146
02:13:42,790 --> 02:13:40,480
i hope so i mean i i know that there's a

3147
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:42,800
lot of speculation on whether or not

3148
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:45,520
that that truly is gonna unfold where

3149
02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:47,040
stars can

3150
02:13:52,229 --> 02:13:49,520
not only get our signal but actually

3151
02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:52,239
decode it and understand it and figure

3152
02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:54,880
it if you know figure it out and i you

3153
02:13:58,790 --> 02:13:56,320
know i always loved that that scene

3154
02:14:00,870 --> 02:13:58,800
going back to contact not to keep

3155
02:14:02,629 --> 02:14:00,880
talking about it but you know that that

3156
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:02,639
first signal that goes out which i i

3157
02:14:06,870 --> 02:14:05,040
think wasn't entirely true the way he

3158
02:14:09,109 --> 02:14:06,880
wrote it uh but regardless one of the

3159
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:09,119
first signals that goes out is uh in

3160
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:13,199
adolf hitler um at the 39 olympics 38

3161
02:14:18,149 --> 02:14:15,679
olympics in berlin yeah it's 38 excuse

3162
02:14:20,069 --> 02:14:18,159
me yeah uh and that that he that that

3163
02:14:22,790 --> 02:14:20,079
becomes the first earth ambassador it

3164
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:22,800
was a funny you know a funny part of of

3165
02:14:27,270 --> 02:14:25,760
contact but i i don't know i i mean

3166
02:14:29,109 --> 02:14:27,280
is that actually going to unfold the way

3167
02:14:30,390 --> 02:14:29,119
it is i hope so i mean i hope that

3168
02:14:31,430 --> 02:14:30,400
they're listening i know that they're

3169
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:31,440
listening

3170
02:14:35,750 --> 02:14:33,440
i know that seti is still hard at work

3171
02:14:37,270 --> 02:14:35,760
and so are other organizations that are

3172
02:14:38,550 --> 02:14:37,280
listening for messages looking for

3173
02:14:40,950 --> 02:14:38,560
messages

3174
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:40,960
there's a lot of talk about those um

3175
02:14:43,990 --> 02:14:42,800
uh different types of pulsars and stuff

3176
02:14:46,229 --> 02:14:44,000
that they're that are seeing the fast

3177
02:14:48,390 --> 02:14:46,239
radio bursts uh

3178
02:14:50,149 --> 02:14:48,400
that uh that they're detecting so

3179
02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:50,159
they're looking and and i think that if

3180
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:51,760
they are gonna get a message back i

3181
02:14:55,510 --> 02:14:53,360
think that there's enough

3182
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:55,520
technology there that we will see it and

3183
02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:57,840
hopefully not miss it but you know i

3184
02:15:03,510 --> 02:14:59,760
could absolutely be wrong on that well

3185
02:15:05,830 --> 02:15:03,520
and here's the difference um and again a

3186
02:15:07,669 --> 02:15:05,840
little bit in this report

3187
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:07,679
um and the way that they were looking at

3188
02:15:11,910 --> 02:15:09,840
it you know this is 40 years ago now you

3189
02:15:15,189 --> 02:15:11,920
know 35 years ago 40 years ago the

3190
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:15,199
latest version of the report is this

3191
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:17,679
we only have

3192
02:15:25,350 --> 02:15:21,280
a very small window from earth

3193
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:25,360
emanating these ginormous free-form

3194
02:15:29,510 --> 02:15:26,800
free-for-all

3195
02:15:31,990 --> 02:15:29,520
radio signals

3196
02:15:34,470 --> 02:15:32,000
and that goes to you know the 1900s

3197
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:34,480
1930s 1940 when they had these these

3198
02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:36,960
massive flame thrower you know radio

3199
02:15:43,990 --> 02:15:40,000
towers with a million watts you know

3200
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:44,000
projecting out um now everything uh is

3201
02:15:47,750 --> 02:15:45,280
shrinking

3202
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:47,760
we're using fiber optics and cables

3203
02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:49,679
we're not emanating you know

3204
02:15:52,709 --> 02:15:51,920
the television signals today

3205
02:15:59,350 --> 02:15:52,719
are

3206
02:16:00,109 --> 02:15:59,360
they were just in the 1980s um and so

3207
02:16:03,030 --> 02:16:00,119
an

3208
02:16:04,870 --> 02:16:03,040
extraterrestrial civilization out there

3209
02:16:06,870 --> 02:16:04,880
that went through the same evolutionary

3210
02:16:08,069 --> 02:16:06,880
process as we did

3211
02:16:10,550 --> 02:16:08,079
right uh

3212
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:10,560
inventing radio inventing electricity

3213
02:16:15,030 --> 02:16:12,719
and then moving on to

3214
02:16:17,189 --> 02:16:15,040
a fiber optic digital world of

3215
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:17,199
communication and transmission you are

3216
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:19,119
no longer projecting off of the planet

3217
02:16:22,550 --> 02:16:21,440
so we have a very small window in

3218
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:22,560
detecting

3219
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:24,719
uh something from an extraterrestrial

3220
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:27,280
race like that and the same thing for us

3221
02:16:32,389 --> 02:16:29,040
we are no longer

3222
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:32,399
uh you know this bright lighthouse uh

3223
02:16:37,110 --> 02:16:35,200
you know this beacon of radio signals

3224
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:37,120
it's it's not coming off of this planet

3225
02:16:41,910 --> 02:16:39,679
anymore so it's just a very small window

3226
02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:41,920
of you know it's 50 years right if you

3227
02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:44,240
think about it and then the

3228
02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:46,960
13.8 billion years of the history of of

3229
02:16:53,349 --> 02:16:49,920
the universe what's 50 years it's a very

3230
02:16:56,230 --> 02:16:53,359
small window to detect something

3231
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:56,240
yes and and i've always struggled with

3232
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:58,080
not only is it a small window like you

3233
02:17:00,469 --> 02:16:59,599
said and all of those points i wouldn't

3234
02:17:01,910 --> 02:17:00,479
negate

3235
02:17:03,110 --> 02:17:01,920
but i've always had trouble thinking

3236
02:17:04,870 --> 02:17:03,120
that if there is an intelligent

3237
02:17:06,709 --> 02:17:04,880
civilization out there that they would

3238
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:06,719
progress like we did

3239
02:17:11,190 --> 02:17:08,399
and and

3240
02:17:13,830 --> 02:17:11,200
could very well be true i don't know uh

3241
02:17:15,429 --> 02:17:13,840
but we have to assume that they would uh

3242
02:17:17,990 --> 02:17:15,439
progress like us that they would be a

3243
02:17:19,750 --> 02:17:18,000
carbon-based life form that evolved like

3244
02:17:21,830 --> 02:17:19,760
us that the brains would evolve like

3245
02:17:24,950 --> 02:17:21,840
that that they would have the nikola

3246
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:24,960
teslas and and uh and the bells and the

3247
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:26,399
all of those

3248
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:28,319
you know inventors that have taken us to

3249
02:17:32,309 --> 02:17:30,160
where we are today

3250
02:17:34,389 --> 02:17:32,319
you know we got lucky as humanity will

3251
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:34,399
another alien race or intelligent

3252
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:37,120
civilization be lucky like that or be

3253
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:39,599
lucky in their own way and i think that

3254
02:17:42,950 --> 02:17:41,120
that is something for me that i've

3255
02:17:45,270 --> 02:17:42,960
always struggled with on you know

3256
02:17:47,990 --> 02:17:45,280
there's all a small window if they

3257
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:48,000
evolved exactly like us but i think that

3258
02:17:53,190 --> 02:17:50,399
the chances that they evolved exactly

3259
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:53,200
like us makes that window so much more

3260
02:17:57,429 --> 02:17:56,559
small and and uh hard for me to believe

3261
02:17:59,509 --> 02:17:57,439
and

3262
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:59,519
it's it's a it's a fascinating topic

3263
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:01,599
because we really have no primer to

3264
02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:04,160
compare any of this to we have no idea

3265
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:06,240
how this is going to play out and i

3266
02:18:10,230 --> 02:18:08,080
remember interviewing quite a few people

3267
02:18:12,629 --> 02:18:10,240
for these shows when i was doing on

3268
02:18:15,509 --> 02:18:12,639
extraterrestrial communication but also

3269
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:15,519
first contact and how that would happen

3270
02:18:19,030 --> 02:18:17,840
and i remember asking michio kaku that

3271
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:19,040
was one of the most amazing

3272
02:18:22,230 --> 02:18:20,399
conversations

3273
02:18:24,230 --> 02:18:22,240
uh that i've i think i've ever had with

3274
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:24,240
a human being i loved talking to that

3275
02:18:29,110 --> 02:18:26,719
man incredibly intelligent

3276
02:18:31,830 --> 02:18:29,120
but i remember asking all of them all

3277
02:18:33,750 --> 02:18:31,840
the experts in these shows if first

3278
02:18:36,150 --> 02:18:33,760
contact is going to happen and again

3279
02:18:38,150 --> 02:18:36,160
assuming it hasn't already

3280
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:38,160
how is it going to happen and i remember

3281
02:18:42,629 --> 02:18:40,479
michio kaku's uh response and i'm

3282
02:18:44,389 --> 02:18:42,639
paraphrasing but essentially it was

3283
02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:44,399
not that they were gonna come here or

3284
02:18:49,110 --> 02:18:46,800
send us a message or come down and try

3285
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:49,120
and communicate that first contact is

3286
02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:51,280
they're gonna be so far in the distance

3287
02:18:55,910 --> 02:18:53,200
they're going to likely see and detect

3288
02:18:58,790 --> 02:18:55,920
our life and just keep going they're not

3289
02:19:01,429 --> 02:18:58,800
going to care and first contact is just

3290
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:01,439
going to be the visual observation of an

3291
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:03,359
intelligent civilization out there now

3292
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:05,040
his thoughts may have changed since

3293
02:19:10,070 --> 02:19:07,040
however many years ago i interviewed him

3294
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:10,080
but regardless that thought to me was so

3295
02:19:15,110 --> 02:19:12,399
profound but simplistic

3296
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:15,120
that it wasn't a communication

3297
02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:17,040
it wasn't a land on the white house lawn

3298
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:19,120
that everybody talks about it is just

3299
02:19:24,629 --> 02:19:21,679
simply we see them and then there they

3300
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:24,639
go because they don't care about us and

3301
02:19:28,790 --> 02:19:26,719
that really aligns with

3302
02:19:31,030 --> 02:19:28,800
you know again a idea i've i've always

3303
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:31,040
loved a banter about but would would

3304
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:32,880
they care would it would an alien

3305
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:35,439
civilization get our message and go we

3306
02:19:39,750 --> 02:19:38,000
have to communicate with earthlings and

3307
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:39,760
then send a message back

3308
02:19:44,629 --> 02:19:42,160
not really i and and i use the anthill

3309
02:19:46,549 --> 02:19:44,639
analogy on do we go out in the middle of

3310
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:46,559
the sahara desert to communicate with an

3311
02:19:51,910 --> 02:19:49,040
ant hill and and and the intelligence

3312
02:19:53,910 --> 02:19:51,920
gap arguably between us and an ant hill

3313
02:19:56,150 --> 02:19:53,920
would be closer to that than some

3314
02:19:58,230 --> 02:19:56,160
intelligent civilization that has a two

3315
02:19:59,990 --> 02:19:58,240
million year head start on us you know

3316
02:20:00,950 --> 02:20:00,000
that they're going to be so far advanced

3317
02:20:03,590 --> 02:20:00,960
than us

3318
02:20:07,030 --> 02:20:03,600
would they try and do that communication

3319
02:20:08,389 --> 02:20:07,040
egotistically humanity says oh yes they

3320
02:20:10,230 --> 02:20:08,399
would want to

3321
02:20:12,389 --> 02:20:10,240
invite us into their galactic

3322
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:12,399
neighborhood because we're amazing no

3323
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:13,920
they wouldn't care

3324
02:20:17,429 --> 02:20:15,600
because the

3325
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:17,439
fact that they are there and we're here

3326
02:20:21,349 --> 02:20:19,600
means that the universe is teeming with

3327
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:21,359
life so are they going to try and

3328
02:20:24,389 --> 02:20:23,120
communicate with the ant hill or are

3329
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:24,399
they going to go out and find some

3330
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:27,520
civilization that had a 1.9 million year

3331
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:30,240
head start and start sharing whatever it

3332
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:31,840
is so

3333
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:33,520
it's yeah don't get me started jimmy

3334
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:36,880
because i love that topic and and have

3335
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:39,680
have been very lucky to do it on a

3336
02:20:44,230 --> 02:20:41,920
personal level and dig into a lot of

3337
02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:44,240
this material but also when i was

3338
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:46,240
producing for for

3339
02:20:51,429 --> 02:20:48,880
history discovery and that geo

3340
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:51,439
all three of those those networks i was

3341
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:54,000
able to do stuff on alien life alien

3342
02:20:58,790 --> 02:20:56,399
communications and talk to people that

3343
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:58,800
were so much smarter than me

3344
02:21:02,710 --> 02:21:00,319
because i was an idiot when it came to

3345
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:02,720
all of this uh and and really kind of

3346
02:21:06,469 --> 02:21:04,560
dig into it it was such a fascinating

3347
02:21:08,230 --> 02:21:06,479
time well that's why this kind of

3348
02:21:10,230 --> 02:21:08,240
thought experiment and this kind of

3349
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:10,240
conversation to me

3350
02:21:15,750 --> 02:21:12,640
is is the most interesting

3351
02:21:17,590 --> 02:21:15,760
uh part of of of all of this because

3352
02:21:19,110 --> 02:21:17,600
i i keep going back to like a von

3353
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:19,120
neumann probe

3354
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:22,640
and and the suggestions of that

3355
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:25,600
um michio kaku's version of that doing a

3356
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:28,800
drive-by and logging earth you know in

3357
02:21:33,830 --> 02:21:31,600
into a book okay yeah there's life here

3358
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:33,840
in this quadrant uh we're moving on to

3359
02:21:40,710 --> 02:21:37,840
the next uh planet sure okay i i i can

3360
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:40,720
appreciate that take too as well but we

3361
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:42,479
have to look at what we're doing in our

3362
02:21:47,030 --> 02:21:44,800
own solar system we're sending probes to

3363
02:21:47,990 --> 02:21:47,040
every single planet as as quickly as we

3364
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:48,000
can

3365
02:21:52,550 --> 02:21:49,920
um e.t

3366
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:52,560
absolutely and especially something

3367
02:21:56,710 --> 02:21:54,319
that's more advanced than us we're

3368
02:21:59,190 --> 02:21:56,720
already talking about you know 3d

3369
02:22:00,230 --> 02:21:59,200
printers in space you know to take care

3370
02:22:01,030 --> 02:22:00,240
of things

3371
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,040
well

3372
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:03,359
with the von neumann probe and what that

3373
02:22:09,990 --> 02:22:05,680
is you know self-replicating probe going

3374
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:10,000
out and uh discovering what is in uh the

3375
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:12,640
universe and the milky way and as an

3376
02:22:17,190 --> 02:22:15,120
advanced uh civilization

3377
02:22:19,190 --> 02:22:17,200
these uh

3378
02:22:22,070 --> 02:22:19,200
the the technology would go to an

3379
02:22:23,910 --> 02:22:22,080
asteroid and and extract minerals and

3380
02:22:26,630 --> 02:22:23,920
build another probe and continue on

3381
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:26,640
continue on continue on and

3382
02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:29,439
uh would have ai on board

3383
02:22:34,309 --> 02:22:32,960
um and and mapping and discovering what

3384
02:22:35,910 --> 02:22:34,319
is out there

3385
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:35,920
yes because that's what we're doing

3386
02:22:39,349 --> 02:22:37,840
today so it wouldn't necessarily in

3387
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:39,359
michio's view

3388
02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:42,240
be a dude in a in you know in a flying

3389
02:22:47,270 --> 02:22:44,720
saucer you know cruising around uh

3390
02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:47,280
visiting earth but certainly an

3391
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:51,280
investigation uh with uh probes and and

3392
02:22:55,349 --> 02:22:53,760
satellites is is the way to get it done

3393
02:22:56,950 --> 02:22:55,359
because that's the way that we're doing

3394
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:56,960
it and then

3395
02:23:00,870 --> 02:22:58,720
we have the tic tac

3396
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:00,880
right and we have the sightings that

3397
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:03,920
i've had personally that i can't explain

3398
02:23:09,190 --> 02:23:06,800
that certainly seemed et ish to me and

3399
02:23:10,950 --> 02:23:09,200
not our own uh technology

3400
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:10,960
um that that's how you would get it done

3401
02:23:15,670 --> 02:23:13,680
and maybe that's what's happening now

3402
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:15,680
yeah the the parallels there are pretty

3403
02:23:20,070 --> 02:23:18,000
fascinating and we got to graphically

3404
02:23:21,670 --> 02:23:20,080
create it was all hypothetical of course

3405
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:21,680
but what a von neumann probe could

3406
02:23:26,309 --> 02:23:24,080
potentially look like and how it would

3407
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:26,319
traverse the stars and create

3408
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:28,560
replica you know replicas of itself and

3409
02:23:31,990 --> 02:23:30,560
continue on and continue on

3410
02:23:33,590 --> 02:23:32,000
and and that's another interesting

3411
02:23:37,190 --> 02:23:33,600
aspect of this which is artificial

3412
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:37,200
intelligence and essentially you you

3413
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:39,280
you can't make a mistake when it comes

3414
02:23:43,590 --> 02:23:42,160
to ai you have to teach it to stop

3415
02:23:45,910 --> 02:23:43,600
because once you send those

3416
02:23:48,070 --> 02:23:45,920
self-replicating machines out there this

3417
02:23:49,910 --> 02:23:48,080
leads into the fermi paradox but once

3418
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:49,920
you send those self-replicating machines

3419
02:23:53,190 --> 02:23:51,760
out there and you program it to

3420
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:53,200
replicate itself and all that sounds

3421
02:23:56,389 --> 02:23:54,160
great

3422
02:23:59,030 --> 02:23:56,399
eventually in time you will have

3423
02:24:01,429 --> 02:23:59,040
trillions upon trillions of these

3424
02:24:04,710 --> 02:24:01,439
uh robots going around and mining

3425
02:24:06,710 --> 02:24:04,720
resources in the universe and uh part of

3426
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:06,720
part of that fermi paradox and then that

3427
02:24:11,830 --> 02:24:09,439
whole debate is why aren't we seeing

3428
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:11,840
corners of the universe blink out

3429
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:14,479
that the resources and the stars and

3430
02:24:18,790 --> 02:24:16,640
everything are mined to a point where

3431
02:24:21,830 --> 02:24:18,800
they just are depleted

3432
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:21,840
and we even recreated a dyson sphere for

3433
02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:24,399
any of the geeks like myself out there

3434
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:27,439
where we restructured in a cg world what

3435
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:29,040
a dyson sphere would be and that would

3436
02:24:32,469 --> 02:24:30,160
be when

3437
02:24:35,030 --> 02:24:32,479
again we send these uh probes out there

3438
02:24:37,670 --> 02:24:35,040
to our sun to create a structure to

3439
02:24:40,309 --> 02:24:37,680
harness the full energy of our sun once

3440
02:24:42,630 --> 02:24:40,319
it's gone we move on and it was it was a

3441
02:24:45,670 --> 02:24:42,640
real interesting look on what

3442
02:24:48,550 --> 02:24:45,680
power a intelligent civilization could

3443
02:24:50,469 --> 02:24:48,560
have by creating these types of machines

3444
02:24:53,510 --> 02:24:50,479
maybe not exactly like a von neumann

3445
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:53,520
probe but something like that what could

3446
02:24:57,030 --> 02:24:54,960
they achieve

3447
02:24:59,830 --> 02:24:57,040
and when you really start thinking about

3448
02:25:01,750 --> 02:24:59,840
the power of what can you achieve now

3449
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:01,760
the question is why haven't we seen them

3450
02:25:06,950 --> 02:25:04,319
yet and that again is going back to that

3451
02:25:09,270 --> 02:25:06,960
fermi paradox where hey if these these

3452
02:25:10,870 --> 02:25:09,280
civilizations are evolving like us and

3453
02:25:12,469 --> 02:25:10,880
they have that head start and we're

3454
02:25:14,710 --> 02:25:12,479
reaching out and re they're reaching out

3455
02:25:17,590 --> 02:25:14,720
and reaching out why haven't they been

3456
02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:17,600
here yet and uh and it is one of those

3457
02:25:22,309 --> 02:25:20,240
fascinating questions that may linger

3458
02:25:25,110 --> 02:25:22,319
for quite some time but you look at the

3459
02:25:28,630 --> 02:25:25,120
sightings like today where you see maybe

3460
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:28,640
not a craft that is being piloted by a

3461
02:25:33,510 --> 02:25:31,120
creature of some kind or a intelligent

3462
02:25:35,830 --> 02:25:33,520
body that's pushing buttons and and

3463
02:25:38,469 --> 02:25:35,840
playing controls but rather it is a

3464
02:25:39,590 --> 02:25:38,479
machine it is programmed to come here

3465
02:25:42,550 --> 02:25:39,600
observe

3466
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:42,560
look chronicle document store in its

3467
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:45,840
hard drive whatever it is and it's gone

3468
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:48,240
and that is exactly what we are starting

3469
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:51,280
to do on other planets and and when i i

3470
02:25:56,070 --> 02:25:53,520
love doing lectures when i lecture i i

3471
02:25:57,590 --> 02:25:56,080
use obviously what we are doing on the

3472
02:26:00,389 --> 02:25:57,600
surface of mars right now where we're

3473
02:26:03,270 --> 02:26:00,399
starting to put artificial intelligence

3474
02:26:06,070 --> 02:26:03,280
on robots that are programmed to do

3475
02:26:08,309 --> 02:26:06,080
specific tasks now granted they're

3476
02:26:10,630 --> 02:26:08,319
simplistic at this point but start

3477
02:26:13,110 --> 02:26:10,640
putting yourself into the future 50 100

3478
02:26:16,230 --> 02:26:13,120
a thousand years from now what will ai

3479
02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:16,240
be able to do and what what will ai be

3480
02:26:21,110 --> 02:26:19,200
able to achieve on its own and what will

3481
02:26:23,670 --> 02:26:21,120
ai be able to

3482
02:26:26,630 --> 02:26:23,680
take to the cosmos from humanity

3483
02:26:28,790 --> 02:26:26,640
that we haven't thought of yet and so

3484
02:26:31,990 --> 02:26:28,800
using that we can really start

3485
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:32,000
dissecting what may be heading our way

3486
02:26:35,030 --> 02:26:32,880
or

3487
02:26:36,870 --> 02:26:35,040
quite possibly what's here already and

3488
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:36,880
it's a fun definitely a fun thought

3489
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:39,840
experiment it is it is and when we when

3490
02:26:42,389 --> 02:26:41,600
we think about

3491
02:26:44,550 --> 02:26:42,399
uh

3492
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:44,560
how far we have come in such a short

3493
02:26:49,910 --> 02:26:46,880
time from the wright brothers to

3494
02:26:52,870 --> 02:26:49,920
elon musk and and and putting people on

3495
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:52,880
mars and which you and i are are going

3496
02:26:57,270 --> 02:26:55,359
to see you know we're probably going to

3497
02:27:00,830 --> 02:26:57,280
see this in the next ten years

3498
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:00,840
which makes this truly an interplanetary

3499
02:27:06,870 --> 02:27:03,600
species in in a hundred years in a

3500
02:27:07,990 --> 02:27:06,880
hundred years from covered wagons right

3501
02:27:11,190 --> 02:27:08,000
literally

3502
02:27:15,190 --> 02:27:11,200
1900 covered wagons and gas lamps

3503
02:27:16,950 --> 02:27:15,200
right to in uh 2030

3504
02:27:19,110 --> 02:27:16,960
were literally

3505
02:27:21,870 --> 02:27:19,120
visiting another planet

3506
02:27:24,550 --> 02:27:21,880
so another species out there another

3507
02:27:26,950 --> 02:27:24,560
extraterrestrial civilization where are

3508
02:27:28,469 --> 02:27:26,960
we going to be in 50 years well if

3509
02:27:30,469 --> 02:27:28,479
somebody is

3510
02:27:31,750 --> 02:27:30,479
equivalent to us and this is the big

3511
02:27:33,830 --> 02:27:31,760
debate right

3512
02:27:35,270 --> 02:27:33,840
a thousand years more advanced than us

3513
02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:35,280
where are we going to be in a thousand

3514
02:27:38,790 --> 02:27:37,280
years if we're going to be on mars in

3515
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:38,800
the next 10

3516
02:27:43,270 --> 02:27:40,240
where are we going to be in a thousand

3517
02:27:45,990 --> 02:27:43,280
years we need to get constantly look at

3518
02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:46,000
this and absolutely that may be what's

3519
02:27:50,630 --> 02:27:48,560
visiting us today millions of sightings

3520
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:50,640
have gone down in the last 50 years

3521
02:27:57,110 --> 02:27:54,080
including uh our military and and

3522
02:27:59,270 --> 02:27:57,120
trained professionals so when when the

3523
02:28:01,429 --> 02:27:59,280
fermi paradox says well it should be

3524
02:28:03,990 --> 02:28:01,439
teeming with life but where is everybody

3525
02:28:05,910 --> 02:28:04,000
well apparently we've been visited an

3526
02:28:08,309 --> 02:28:05,920
awful lot

3527
02:28:09,910 --> 02:28:08,319
it's possible and and some of the

3528
02:28:10,950 --> 02:28:09,920
skeptics out there are saying well why

3529
02:28:12,710 --> 02:28:10,960
would they

3530
02:28:15,030 --> 02:28:12,720
just visit the military and haunt the

3531
02:28:17,429 --> 02:28:15,040
military with these types of encounters

3532
02:28:18,870 --> 02:28:17,439
like the tic tac and now obviously the

3533
02:28:21,030 --> 02:28:18,880
military is catching on and they're

3534
02:28:22,630 --> 02:28:21,040
investigating only their own military

3535
02:28:25,429 --> 02:28:22,640
and obviously this is

3536
02:28:28,469 --> 02:28:25,439
just a you know speculative

3537
02:28:30,790 --> 02:28:28,479
comment but what if that is their task

3538
02:28:33,830 --> 02:28:30,800
and again you use that probe on mars

3539
02:28:36,150 --> 02:28:33,840
that you go that task is focused on

3540
02:28:37,110 --> 02:28:36,160
being able to go forward backwards left

3541
02:28:39,750 --> 02:28:37,120
or right

3542
02:28:42,389 --> 02:28:39,760
make a calculation on going over a small

3543
02:28:45,030 --> 02:28:42,399
rock that it may get stuck on and how to

3544
02:28:47,030 --> 02:28:45,040
get around it but pretty much it's

3545
02:28:50,790 --> 02:28:47,040
drilling in taking soil samples and

3546
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:50,800
analyzing it that is its task so who is

3547
02:28:56,230 --> 02:28:53,520
to say that some of these probes that

3548
02:28:58,790 --> 02:28:56,240
yeah maybe they are connected to some

3549
02:29:02,630 --> 02:28:58,800
intelligent species out there are not

3550
02:29:05,670 --> 02:29:02,640
tasked to look at the strength and power

3551
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:05,680
of a military of something that has the

3552
02:29:10,469 --> 02:29:08,479
power to do damage that they come here

3553
02:29:12,309 --> 02:29:10,479
they look they have ships they have guns

3554
02:29:14,550 --> 02:29:12,319
they have this they have that okay

3555
02:29:15,910 --> 02:29:14,560
document store in the hard drive away

3556
02:29:18,389 --> 02:29:15,920
they go

3557
02:29:20,309 --> 02:29:18,399
pure speculation of course you know but

3558
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:20,319
it's fun to think about because that is

3559
02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:21,680
exactly

3560
02:29:27,429 --> 02:29:25,200
what humanity is doing on a small scale

3561
02:29:30,630 --> 02:29:27,439
we spy on other countries on a larger

3562
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:30,640
scale in a simplistic way scientifically

3563
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:33,040
we're going out there with probes a

3564
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:35,520
simple ai on board it can think for

3565
02:29:40,230 --> 02:29:37,920
itself it does calculations on its own

3566
02:29:42,710 --> 02:29:40,240
and does very simple tasks but in a

3567
02:29:44,469 --> 02:29:42,720
hundred years from now 500 years from

3568
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:44,479
now we're going to be able to build

3569
02:29:48,070 --> 02:29:45,760
machines

3570
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:48,080
that will be able to learn and get

3571
02:29:53,190 --> 02:29:50,399
better on its own and that is a

3572
02:29:56,309 --> 02:29:53,200
frightening thing to think about but it

3573
02:29:59,270 --> 02:29:56,319
will be able to learn and become more

3574
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powerful than the human brain

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where do you work

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it's inevitable what are you working on

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now what's uh what are you publishing in

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the morning

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uh well i can't go there jimmy i no i to

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be honest with you i'm not sure when i

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woke up this morning i had no idea that

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nasa would dump a thousand pages in my

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mailbox right so i really have no idea

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i'm gonna try and uh dump these

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documents all online as quick as

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possible again i'm looking for some

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comments about one this will make a

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little bit more sense when i get

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comments i have no idea how really

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interesting this is

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again it's just part of the

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investigative effort so i don't like

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posting things where i keep things from

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people uh and and and edit a foia

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response so rather i'm holding off i

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publish some interesting points with the

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caveat that there's a lot more um so

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hopefully those documents you'll see

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but that is the fun about what i do when

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i wake up although i have my normal job

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that has nothing to do with the black

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vault and i do that 70 hours a week uh

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in the meantime and in between doing

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that

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i have no idea what comes into my

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mailbox and that is the absolute

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fascination of the black vault and why i

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love i

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why i love what i do send me 500 pages

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i'll uh i'll i'll read through them this

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weekend

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yeah

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do it

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man i'm over 3 million now i'll send you

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a hundred thousand i'll talk to you hey

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john thank you so much uh my best to you

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and your family and uh we'll circle back

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this weekend man be safe out there

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anytime it was a blast as always thanks

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jimmy john greenwald the black vault

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this is fade to black i'm going to take

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a quick break circle back a very

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interesting evening here not only on

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fade to black but for the rest of the

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world i'll open up the phone lines after

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this short break stay with us

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